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Re: [CQ-Contest] Fewer than 3% of contesters self-spotted in ARRL DX CW

To: "Barry Jacobson" <bdj@alum.mit.edu>, CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fewer than 3% of contesters self-spotted in ARRL DX CW 2024
From: WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Reply-to: WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 13:35:19 +0000
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
**FULL DISCLOSURE**
I am far from what most would consider an expert......this is what works for me....

well, the old school, as I call it it, is no skimmer or rbn spots......just humans posting what they hesr and/or worked....as yes, to the best of my knowledge, all the spotters are now connected together. I dont believe that was always the case, thinking way back to the term "cluster"....but now, pretty sure what you see on one you see on them all. I use, and am most familiar with the AR (now AR6 in most cases) clusters. Some clusters have skimmer spots set to default, some you have to turn them ON to see them, I use the command SKIMVALID to do that, that not only turns them ON, but also means two (maybe 3?) have to decode the same callsign before it validates it and passes it on, that seems to eliminate a lot of the junk spots. I also filter to see non skimmer spots.....that command is NOT SKIMMER......also, I only want to see what I think I can hear/work, I dont want to see the west coast working JA on 80m, well after my sunrise, so here is what I used in the latest ARRL DX test....

SET DX FILTER (SKIMVALID AND (SPOTTERSTATE=[PA,OH,NY,ON,VA,CT,NJ,MA,IN,IL,MI,WI,TN,KY,QC,ME,WV,NC]) AND CTY<> K and CTY<>VE) OR ((NOT SKIMMER AND SPOTTERSTATE=[PA,OH,NY,ON,VA,CT,NJ,MA,IN,IL,MI,NC,WI,TN,KY,QC,ME,WV]) AND cty<>k and cty<>ve) OR CALL = WW3S

that lets me see skimmer (RBN) spots, and non skimmer( human) spots, that are not US or Canada, from what I consider my "local" area and also lets me see ALL spots of my callsign....again, that works for me...73


------ Original Message ------
From "Barry Jacobson" <bdj@alum.mit.edu>
To "Jamie WW3S" <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Cc "Saulius Zalnerauskas" <ly5w.sam@gmail.com>; "Joe" <nss@mwt.net>; "Tim Shoppa" <tshoppa@gmail.com>; "CQ-Contest Reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Date 2/20/2024 6:03:31 PM
Subject Re: [CQ-Contest] Fewer than 3% of contesters self-spotted in ARRL DX CW 2024

Hi Jamie, I apologize, but know nothing about spotting, at all. What
is the difference between RBN and "Old School Network"? I am familiar
with RBN because I use it to check my signal strength when calling CQ.
But aren't all the spotting networks connected together? Which do most
contesters or N1MM users use? If there is a website that explains all
this, perhaps you can just provide link instead of taking time to
answer. Perhaps it is somewhere in the N1MM manual, as well, and could
provide page.

Thanks very much.

Barry WA2VIU
--
Barry Jacobson
WA2VIU
bdj@alum.mit.edu
@bdj_phd

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:59 PM Jamie WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net> wrote:

 I will echo that, as soon as I started running, I could see I was
 spotted by RBN in the INFO window of N1MM......and got some
 callers....BUT.....when I got a manual spot on the old school network,
 it was almost instant pileup....


 ------ Original Message ------
 From "Saulius Zalnerauskas" <ly5w.sam@gmail.com>
 To "Joe" <nss@mwt.net>
 Cc "Tim Shoppa" <tshoppa@gmail.com>; "CQ-Contest Reflector"
 <cq-contest@contesting.com>
 Date 2/19/2024 3:45:47 PM
 Subject Re: [CQ-Contest] Fewer than 3% of contesters self-spotted in
 ARRL DX CW 2024

 >Joe (WB9SBD) I thought same as you, but I tried to do selfspot and found
 >how much it helps.
 >Not very much old fashioned dudies using RBN telnet spots. They just
 >looking to DX summit  :)
 >Really!
 >Sam LY5W
 >
 >2024-02-19, pr 22:38, Joe <nss@mwt.net> rašė:
 >
 >>  You should do this test in a Phone contest. I bet the results would be
 >>  very different.
 >>
 >>  In a CW test I do not see any need to self spot at all.
 >>
 >>  I mean each CQ most likely will be caught by the RBN, and spot you.
 >>  And your self spots will be blocked, ignored, whatever ya call it.
 >>
 >>  Only if you stop CQing and time it just right should a self spot make it
 >>  through.
 >>
 >>  Joe WB9SBD
 >>
 >>  On 2/19/2024 10:02 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
 >>  > I gathered manual (non-reversebeacon) spots from 9 Telnet cluster nodes
 >>  > around the world over the 48-hour ARRL DX CW 2024 contest, deduped them,
 >>  > and counted self-spots to see how widely self-spotting has been adopted,
 >>  14
 >>  > months after the ARRL began allowing self-spotting by all entrants in
 >>  ARRL
 >>  > contests.
 >>  >
 >>  > (Note that almost all other major HF contest sponsors do not allow
 >>  > self-spotting and strictly forbid it!)
 >>  >
 >>  > I also included as self-spots, the case where the spotting station(s)
 >>  used
 >>  > a different call than the spotted call. This was not at all rare; many
 >>  > contesters used a special call for the contest but were, for example,
 >>  > logged into the cluster with their regular call. Other DXpedition teams
 >>  > seem to have specifically logged in to clusters and spotted using
 >>  multiple
 >>  > members home calls - a wise choice for when the target audience may have
 >>  > excessively strict geographic filters on what spots they receive.
 >>  >
 >>  > Only 134 stations self-spotted in this contest, if I ignore stations that
 >>  > self-spotted themselves less than 10 times. There will be more than 5000
 >>  > logs submitted for ARRL DX CW this year, so this is fewer than 3% of all
 >>  > entrants who have adopted self-spotting. I'm honestly surprised the
 >>  uptake
 >>  > has been so low. In fact, the number of posts to cq-contest on the
 >>  subject
 >>  > of self-spotting in the past 14 months far exceeds the number of
 >>  > self-spotters.
 >>  >
 >>  > Top 10 self-spotters, and the calls they self-spotted under, are listed
 >>  > below. The self-spot counts below are after some aggressive deduping -
 >>  for
 >>  > example if a station posted themselves on multiple frequencies in the
 >>  same
 >>  > minute I only counted it as a single self-spot. You can find a complete
 >>  > list of all 134 stations, and the raw telnet cluster data, at
 >>  > https://radiosport.world/2024arrlcw.html
 >>  >
 >>  > The Top 10:
 >>  >
 >>  > #self-
 >>  > spots   call    spotted using calls
 >>  > -----   ------  -------------------
 >>  > 632     CR6K    CR6K CT1ILT
 >>  > 449     V3T     V31TP
 >>  > 427     S53M    S53M
 >>  > 341     W4NF    W4NF
 >>  > 340     AA3B    AA3B
 >>  > 306     W3LPL   W3LPL
 >>  > 267     MW4R    MW4R
 >>  > 261     K3LR    K3LR
 >>  > 244     PJ2T    K8ND PJ2T W0CG W4EE
 >>  > 238     OM2VL   OM2VL
 >>  >
 >>  > Tim N3QE
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