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Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ

To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
From: Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 15:30:02 -0500
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Ed;

It appears that you are saying that self-spotting is allowed for the WRTC 
participants. Where do you get this? The Competition Rules at 
https://www.wrtc2022.it/en/competition-rules-29.asp 
<https://www.wrtc2022.it/en/competition-rules-29.asp> seem to explicitly outlaw 
this. What are we missing?

73,
Jack, W6FB


> On Jun 27, 2023, at 1:58 PM, Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry but activating a callsign block is not the same as broadcasting them 
> continually over the cluster when no one else can do it.
> 
> Such decisions should not even be the sole responsibility of WRTC – they 
> should be overlaying passively – not hijacking.
> 
> Ed  N1UR
> 
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:54 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
> Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
> 
> Kind of like how using a callsign block that had not been activated in nearly 
> 30 years was re-opened up just for WRTC?  Nobody complained an ounce then - 
> in fact it was lauded.  That certainly detracted from working other stations.
> 
> 73 Rich NN3W
> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 2:16 PM Edward Sawyer 
> <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>> 
> wrote:
> Hi Rich.  However, you are affecting the scores of other participants by 
> pulling Qs away with a tool that is not allowed by others.  As an example, if 
> a record was possible, and scores are lower, this is an unacceptable outcome 
> for a group hijacking a contest.  No longer overlaying, but selfishly 
> influencing.  Its just not acceptable in my opinion.
> 
> Ed  N1UR
> 
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:13 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer 
> <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>>
> Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
> 
> I mean we're only competing with ourselves within the shell of the IARU 
> contest so I don't see what the big deal is.  We're scored differently, we're 
> categorized differently, etc.
> 
> 73 Rich NN3W
> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 1:30 PM Edward Sawyer 
> <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>> 
> wrote:
> Thanks for this interesting info.  There has been virtually nothing relayed 
> by the WRTC Committee to the outside world on what is going to happen there.  
> No site information and obviously no mention of drastic inclusions like 
> patronage self-spotting.
> 
> Personally, I think that self-spotting on SSB (which in my opinion is 
> seriously wrong to hijack an on-going contest in this way) when no one else 
> competing can do so within the rules, is completely out of bounds.  To 
> "overlay yourself" onto a competition for another purpose is one thing - 
> which I have no objection to.  However, to actually then introduce 
> interaction which will PULL Qs from the normal contest participants in favor 
> of your overlay is unsportsmanlike and unethical.
> 
> This is a serious mistake in my opinion and a very dangerous precedent being 
> set.  I implore the WRTC group to not do this.  Even the HQ stations are not 
> allowed to self-spot in this contest.
> 
> Ed  N1UR
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