Gosh. Ken, Jim and Hans make me wonder if I can ever be a *real*
contester. I've only ever known computer logging, solid state radios,
packet spots, electronic keying, etc. The "good old days" must've really
been something.
Steve
W1SRD
On 11/3/2021 16:32, Ken K6MR wrote:
+1 Those were the days….
Ken K6MR
From: Jim Neiger<mailto:n6tj@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:08
To: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots
Oh the wonderful world of spotting.
Again relegated to the Department of Be Careful What You Ask For. And
fondly remembering the years when all were able to 1) find their own
DX, and 2) actually could copy calls without assistance.
Very 73,
Jim Neiger N6TJ
66 years of contest operating UN-Assisted.
KH7M (this past weekend where I was self-spotted at least once)
KH7M ( upcoming CQ WW CW).
On 11/2/2021 6:05 PM, Randy Thompson wrote:
Not sure self-spotting is the solution to the actual problem...
Someone spammed the cluster system with cleverly designed spots that spoofed
the sender's callsign. As someone who has been harassed by this method of fake
spots, it is frustrating. I don't think people quite realize how unprotected
the cluster network is. Anyone can use any callsign to spot anything at any
time.
The cluster is not the banking system, but just as we need passwords for every
other aspect of our on-line lives, it may be time for the cluster network to
adopt the same. Even if it is just for originating spots. This of course
means that spots traveling from one node to another will also need to carry
some form of verification or validation of the originator.
Randy K5ZD
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On Behalf
Of Stanley Zawrotny
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 9:04 AM
To: John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com>
Cc: Steve Dyer <w1srd@yahoo.com>; CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots
The solution has already been proposed—allow self-spotting. Put SSB on a par with the
CW RBN. No messy, long-drawn out technical effort required. Just say that it’s OK.
Stan, K4SBZ
"Real radio bounces off the sky."
On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, John Dorr <cqk1ar@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning,
Just so everyone knows, the CQWW Contest Committee is taking this
issue very seriously and is investigating the issue in great detail
via some very smart network guys on my team. These spots will have no
impact on anyone's score. However, as always, we will continue to
review other cases where self-spotting is obvious and beyond what has
occurred in this particular situation.
73, John, K1AR
CQ WW Contest Director
On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:03 AM Steve Dyer via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
I really hope we don't have to start authenticating to clusters. The
hassle to the many global users seems to far exceed the gravity of
the problem. Every piece of software that uses clusters would have to
implement whatever scheme was used. It would be a mess.
Steve
W1SRD
On 11/1/2021 18:10, K3IB Peter wrote:
Identifying bad guys by IP addresses is not a thing any more.
I can change my home IP address at will. Good luck getting Comcast
to
tell you what IP address was on my router 3 days ago.
I can also attack from dozens of countries around the world by using
one
of any number of inexpensive VPN services.
The best way forward is for clusters to start authenticating their
users
with a simple, widely available mechanism like SQRL.
-peter K3IB
IIRC, maybe 20 years ago Dave, K1TTT did some pioneering work in
identifying self-spotters, I think through the use of IP addresses
It may be that the same techniques can be used today - or maybe
they can at least demonstrate that these were *not* self-spots. Dave?
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network web server
at<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C4c5816c8e7134f641c9f08d99e24c9e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637714703115056396%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6V7wNvb8ozUbD2knfydlnkBP57qLOQHvOh9JKc1%2FV5A%3D&reserved=0>.
For spots, please use your favorite "retail" DX cluster.
On 11/1/2021 2:46 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
Wow, what a surprise. I just went and looked at my cluster and
sure enough.
I was running unassisted and I see that I spotted myself twice.
This is not good and the only reason is for someone to ensure that
the cluster logging can't be trusted.
Mike va3mw
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On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:39 PM Dave K2XR via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
GM contesters. Hope you all are resting well.
In the FRC chat room we have been discussing the abundance of
apparent self spots during the contest. Many of our participants
who run had their callsigns spoofed and spots of themselves made. It seems to
have
happened to enough of us that the question was posed... 'Was it just
FRC that was targeted, or was it all contesters? "
Looking on this reflector as well as the 3830 reflector, it
didn't
take
long to see that it wasn't just FRC.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fl
ists.contesting.com%2Farchives%2F%2Fhtml%2F3830%2F2021-11%2Fmsg00
174.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C4c5816c8e7134f641c9f08d99e24c9e2%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637714703115066391%7C
Unknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI
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5Co0%2FpE9co46pVpc0Ps%3D&reserved=0
Curious to know who else out there was targeted. The were about
10 cases in the chat room I was in this AM, and suspect it might
have
been
a huge problem.
Is there a way for the sysops to track down the origin ? I would
think so, but am not positive.
It would be great to nail the perpetrator, and some of us are
demanding
it if it is all possible. Kind of ruins everything for some.
Dave K2XR Frankford Radio Club
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