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Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Self spots
From: "K3IB Peter" <k3sss@townpoint.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 21:10:04 -0400
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Identifying bad guys by IP addresses is not a thing any more.

I can change my home IP address at will.  Good luck getting Comcast to tell you 
what IP address was on my router 3 days ago.

I can also attack from dozens of countries around the world by using one of any 
number of inexpensive VPN services.

The best way forward is for clusters to start authenticating their users with a 
simple, widely available mechanism like SQRL.

-peter K3IB



> IIRC, maybe 20 years ago Dave, K1TTT did some pioneering work in 
> identifying self-spotters, I think through the use of IP addresses  It 
> may be that the same techniques can be used today - or maybe they can at 
> least demonstrate that these were *not* self-spots. Dave?
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> On 11/1/2021 2:46 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> Wow, what a surprise.  I just went and looked at my cluster and sure
>> enough.
>>
>> I was running unassisted and I see that I spotted myself twice.
>>
>> This is not good and the only reason is for someone to ensure that the
>> cluster logging can't be trusted.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>> VA3MW-7>
>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2319Z
>> <VA3MW>
>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2313Z
>> <WT8WV>
>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2305Z  LSB
>> <N2YO>
>>    7214.9  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2252Z  LSB
>> <N4SS>
>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2249Z
>>   <W3MR>
>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2244Z  LSB
>> <WU9D>
>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2237Z
>>   <N3GT>
>>    7215.0  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2235Z  LSB
>>   <AC3LZ>
>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2211Z
>> <VA3MW>
>>    7215.1  VA3MW       31-Oct-2021 2205Z
>> <KE1IH>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:39 PM Dave K2XR via CQ-Contest <
>> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>
>>> GM contesters.  Hope you all are resting well.
>>>
>>> In the FRC chat room we have been discussing the abundance of apparent
>>> self spots during the contest.  Many of our participants who run had
>>> their callsigns spoofed and spots of themselves made. It seems to have
>>> happened to enough of us that the question was posed...   'Was it just
>>> FRC that was targeted, or was it all contesters? "
>>>
>>> Looking on this reflector as well as the 3830 reflector, it didn't take
>>> long to see that it wasn't just FRC.
>>>
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/3830/2021-11/msg00174.html
>>>
>>> Curious to know who else out there was targeted.  The were about 10
>>> cases in the chat room I was in this AM, and suspect it might have been
>>> a huge problem.
>>>
>>> Is there a way for the sysops to track down the origin ?     I would
>>> think so, but am not positive.
>>>
>>> It would be great to nail the perpetrator, and some of us are demanding
>>> it if it is all possible.  Kind of ruins everything for some.
>>>
>>>       Dave   K2XR      Frankford Radio Club
>>>
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