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Re: [CQ-Contest] Mixed Digital Modes in HF Contests

To: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Mixed Digital Modes in HF Contests
From: Joe <nss@mwt.net>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 09:33:36 -0600
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How about contact the JSCALL gang to see if they would like to work up what is needed to make it like MTTY is for RTTY in N1MM+?

JSCALL already is anything goes in the message. it is like PSK-31, you can even chat with it yet it uses the FT-8 and maybe 4? transmissions.

https://groups.io/g/js8call

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On 1/13/2020 10:03 PM, David Gilbert wrote:

Those are my sentiments entirely.

FT4 is only broken because of the UI, not the mode.  A better UI for FT4 would solve a LOT of problems.  The sooner somebody comes up with one the better.

Mixing modes in the same contest, whether it is mixing RTTY and FTx or mixing FT8 and FT4, is simply a very bad idea.  The confusion and disruption it causes does nothing at all to advance FTx as a viable contest mode.

73,
Dave   AB7E


On 1/13/2020 10:34 AM, Ron Koenig wrote:
If FT-4 had actually been released as a Contest Mode most of the issues
would not exist.  Sadly, it was not and because of it there is a mess.
You have cross sections of people that will NOT log if they don't get a
RR73 (They even refused to log With RR73 when they wanted RRR and then 73)
lots of these people are Causal ops in the contests, the NIL's are
intentional.
You have people answering Contest CQ's that are not in Contest mode (If
FT-4 was a Contest Mode, that would not be possible) Of course, Neither
side can properly log these as the exchange cannot be made... Some force it
to log.... NIL
FT-4 is very picky about time, many Many Q's go into a loop of repeats
because one or both ops time has shifted a 10th, or QSB has pushed the
signal down just enough. Often, after wasting several cycles, one side will
force it to log.... NIL
I am a fan of the FT-Modes for contesting, I have high hopes that someone
will develop software that makes it work.
I am Not a fan of FT-X in RTTY RU, or any other "Mixed" contest... It
simply causes confusion, lowers QSO counts and causes people to make Silly
claims that their FT-X rate rivaled RTTY...

Ron, WV4P

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