Printing a call and violation does not equal excessive public
humiliation to me. YMMV.
I think we need to draw a hard line with serious competitors vs
participants. There is a huge difference. To the participants my
comments about enforcement and rules violations are made to serious
competitors that should know better. I believe we take the participants
for granted and do not appreciate their contributions as much as we should.
Does a list of public offenders keep people in line? I thnk so. I do
believe that we owe it to the community to reach out to those that broke
a rule and let them know what they did, why it is frowned upon and
making it a learning opportunity.
There is a long list of Big big big callsigns including MM's that were
heard happily working stations out of band in the CQ WW. I am pretty
sure and agree with N2IC that pushing it under the rug with a wink wink
is sending the wrong message.
So what should be done differently, if anything?
Should we begin to look at having different classes of competition? Is
it as simple as do you wish your log to be considered for competition or
as a participant?
Lets take Drag racing. There are a lot of competitors but they do not
compete against the other classes as the cars are considerably
different. Why do we do this in contesting? The Tribander/wires
overlay is an attempt at this but nobody has really tried to sell this.
How about a few classes that encompass the majority of the
competition. One Tower under 100 feet. One tower under 50 ft. Less
than 3 towers. Limit it to maybe 5 classes. The super competitive
probably need to be in a class all their own and as stated scrutinized
much more heavily. Find some common ground, get people competing that
are similar and I think we might see better competition where many more
people have the chance to win. What would be great is if we could get
these classes adopted across the board with many contests.
Golf has a handicapping system that allows duffers a way to compete
against better players. Admittedly I have no idea on how to pull this
off in contesting but maybe there is a way?
We also must get away from National scoring in countries like the US and
Canada, Russia and other places where it is obvious that certain regions
have huge geographic advantages over the rest of the field. We all
can't and don't want to move to Maine or the NE in the USA and I am sure
those already there would prefer we stay away! HI! Maybe in ARRL
contests more emphasis should be placed on division winners and the
competition within. Not all contests lend themselves easily to this.
When people know they have no shot to win, are they giving it their
all? Probably not. Will that change if we give more recognition to the
guy that wins single tower SW USA?
Will any change make a difference or will contesting always be about the
top? I don't think that resonates well with everyone, though.
W0MU
On 4/14/2017 2:57 PM, Ria Jairam wrote:
If someone does it repeatedly, they are very likely doing it
deliberately, for example. A one-off is probably an accident. Twice
and more, not so much.
Also, a low scorer with low hours, deliberate or not is harming no
one. They probably just submitted a log to help the contest organizers
with scoring and didn't even bother to properly check the category
(I've done that).
I just don't see the need for zero tolerance and excessive public
humiliation, where the contest isn't fun anymore and where we end up
driving away casual ops who just want to make a few QSOs and feel good
about that.
I do think high scrutiny should be placed on competitive stations, to
the point where we should have cloud based (or cloud connected)
loggers and electronic surveillance for serious (top 10 world and US)
competitors.
Ria
N2RJ
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:41 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com
<mailto:w0mu@w0mu.com>> wrote:
How can you tell which violations are deliberate vs accidental?
Rules are written so that intent is not considered. Either you
did it or you did not.
Why publish the calls of DQ stations did they self spot on purpose
without knowing the rules etc.
W0MU
On 4/14/2017 8:43 AM, Ria Jairam wrote:
I"m not sure what a hall of shame online would accomplish, but I
guess if you want to go zero tolerance with rules violations this
would be the way to go.
My only stipulation is that the rules violation has to be
deliberate, and not accidental.
73, Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR
<n4zr@comcast.net <mailto:n4zr@comcast.net>> wrote:
Bravo, Mike. Let me extend the thought a bit further. The
CQWW Committee needs to be transparent and specific about its
criteria for various actions. What warrants a warning, versus
what warrants a DQ? What repeated infractions from one year
to the next warrant a DQ?
The old yellow card/red card system was an attempt at this.
Nobody is asking *how* they caught the cheaters, just what
the penalties are for various offenses, either current or
repeated. That's the only way they will get pastthe
perception that they are being arbitrary, favoring a
particular nationality and so on.
73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/13/2017 7:25 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
CQ chose only to publish stations that were Disqualified.
How about a list of all stations that were found to have
broken a rule(s) and the penalty for doing so.
How about a lot more transparency.
Just a thought.
W0MU
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