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Re: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoring and Quick Submissions

To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>, 'Igor Sokolov' <ua9cdc@gmail.com>, "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoring and Quick Submissions
From: Trent Sampson <vk4ts@outlook.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:48:33 +0000
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REAL TIME SCORING and QUICK Submissions are both in conflict too the system as 
we know it.


How various people will react is difficult to establish. But to be sure for 
every action there will be a reaction.




Pareto described the population effect as the 80 20 rule -


In contesting I think it is more like the 90/10 rule -


Eg of the 60,000 callsigns in the CQWW only 10% are sort of serious and of that 
10% again 90/10 have a hope of winning


60,000 Calls in the various logs equals around 6000 logs entered and around 600 
who gain a certificate -of these only 10% are in the running for trophies or 60 
stations


So the suggestion is to cater for 1% of the active stations at the detriment of 
the vast majority who make up the activities of a contest.


We need to look at what is a contest and work out from there -


Undeniably the CQWW is the most popular; why ? Simple rules , short exchange 
and lots of DX activity.


But what attracts the 60,000 ? Answer that question and you will find the way 
forward for the future of contests - Making the path more difficult is not the 
answer.


You must think from a NON CONTESTER perceptive - Not as a hard core contester - 
And the only way to find out is not to ask the top 100 but to ask the bottom 
54,000 that make up the logs every year almost without fail.


Have fun in the contest.

Trent
VK4TS
PO Box 275
Mooloolaba 4557
0408497550



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From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> on behalf of Ron Notarius 
W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Sent: 14 November 2016 08:32
To: 'Igor Sokolov'; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoring and Quick Submissions

But how many of the casual ops would know in advance that they had to sign
up for real-time scoring to get this "additional strong motivation" ?

And how many of the "major awards" sponsors would be willing to accept the
RTS server data?

Sorry Igor.  Not buying it.

73, ron w3wn

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From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Igor Sokolov
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:48 AM
To: RT Clay; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Real Time Scoring and Quick Submissions

There are many casual ops in contests who hunt for a new
zone/country/island. If instant confirmation by the server would be counted
as valid for major awards, this in fact could be additional strong
motivation for casual ops to join.


73, Igor UA9CDC

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> Requiring real-time scoring would kill nearly all participation by casual
> ops in contests. That would be very bad for encouraging new contesters.
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