Ok, and what about the other bands 40 is kinda in the middle, but 20,15,10?
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On 7/25/2016 4:44 AM, Rudy Bakalov wrote:
The reason local contacts on the low bands are easy us because of the
ground wave propagation. That is, signals travel quite far before
bouncing off the ionosphere. So if the ground wave propagation zone
is, for example, 250 miles, the 1-point zone should be 250 miles.
Conversely, on the upper bands, radio waves don't travel very far
before they bounce off the ionosphere. This is why you can't work
stations on 10m that are 100 miles away. So, if the skip zone is, for
example 200 miles, the 3-point zone should be 200 miles.
For comparison, one grid square is approximately 70 X 100 miles in the
USA. So if the ground wave and skip zone distances are greater than 1
grid square the proposed scoring model needs some tweaking.
IMHO, if you want to stay with points based on distance, it may be
easier to simply calculate the distance between the two stations and
convert it into tiers based on the band. For example, under the
assumption that ground wave propagation distance is 250 miles on 160
and 80 m, the 160 and 80 m points could be as follows:
1) For contacts under 250 miles: 1 point
2) For contacts between 250 and 1000 miles: 2 points
3) For contacts over 1000 miles: 3 points
The 2 and 3 point zones really should be related to the number of
hops. That is, 2 points for the first hop and 3 points for more than
one hop.
Rudy N2WQ
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inappropriate autocorrect.
On Jul 24, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Joe <nss@mwt.net <mailto:nss@mwt.net>>
wrote:
Sorry Rudy, I do not understand what you are telling me or asking me.
Joe WB9SBD
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On 7/24/2016 9:06 PM, Rudy Bakalov wrote:
Joe,
How does one grid square compare to the skip zone and ground wave distance on
the upper and lower bands respectively? That is, you may need more than one
square to define the 3 points on the upper bands and more than one square to
define the 1 points on the lower bands.
Rudy N2WQ
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autocorrect.
On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Joe<nss@mwt.net> wrote:
It was almost a year ago, we all were discussing this distance based scoring. (
November of 2015 ) And many brought up that it has pitfalls also because of
propagation etc.
I back then proposed a contest that is based also on distance, but also on the level of
difficulty it takes to make a QSO of "X" distance on a certain band. I posted
it, and If I remember correctly not a single comment was made, GOOD OR BAD, it as just as
if I never made the posting at all. So, lets try it again, What does anyone think of
this layout for an as flat as possible level playing field contest?
Multipliers are maidenhead grid squares, IE: EN43
Mults are good for each band to encourage the use of every band. IE: you get a
mult for each square on each band.
QSO Points, more or less the value is determined by the level of difficulty in
the average qso.
ON 160, 80, & 40,
1 point for each qso in your own grid square
2 points for each qso not in your own grid square but in a square that touches
your own grid square.
3 points for all other squares
ON 20, 15 & 10,
3 points for each qso in your own grid square
2 points for each qso not in your own grid square but in a square that touches
your own grid square.
1 point for all other squares
Thoughts? The QSO points are generated by the difficulty. Like making a QSO on
15 with your own square is tough unless you have a ground wave friend. or
strong backscatter. So it should be valued more points than a QSO on 15 5000
miles away.
Joe WB9SBD
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On 7/24/2016 3:37 PM,john@kk9a.com wrote:
There are different areas were a station can be competitive in Sweepstakes
but certainly not all areas. Do you think it was fair when you lived in
Chicago? The west coast has more daylight hours, which are a high band
advantage and the contest ends at a more reasonable time there for those
that work on Monday. You can see the pattern if you look at the list of HP
phone winners over the last 20 years. 1995 N5RZ, 1996 N7TR, 1997 WP2Z,
1998-2007 WP3R, 2008 W7WA, 2009 KH7XS, 2010 VY2ZM, 2011 N9RV/7, 2012-2013
VY2ZM, 2014-2015 W7WA.
There really is no fair contest so just have fun and operate!
John KK9A
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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW madness
From: Jim Brown<k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:13:35 -0700
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On Sat,7/23/2016 5:50 PM, Ed Sawyer wrote:
Why are we beating up the CQWW contest? SS and NAQP are not fair either.
Actually, SS and NAQP are relatively competitive between different parts of
NA. In SS, PVRC, SMC, and NCCC have each turned in wins in Large Club
competitons, and another half dozen or so smaller clubs have done will the
Medium and Small club competions. Indeed, it's been largely a matter of
motivation of members as to which club wins any given year.
Likewise, top NAQP and NA Sprint scores are spread around, and there's quite
healthy competition between teams. NCCC teams often place well in both
contests, even beating "ad hoc" teams of top operators all over NA.
IMO, the most unfair element of SS is the number of geographically small
sections with relatively little ham activity, most of them located where
they're easy to work on 80/75 from W1/2/3. I'm thinking of the four new VE3
sections, RI, and MAR sections. The only section comparable out west is SF;
things are better there since K6SRZ moved from Berkeley (EB) to wine country
(part of the SF section) when he retired several years ago.
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