On 05/04/2016 11:54, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
Sorry, Ron, but I totally disagree. If it doesn't *assist* someone to
watch a scoreboard without band breakdown information (and it
doesn't), then it is not *assistance*.
We're going round in circles here with everyone
interpreting "assist", "assistance" and "Assisted"
as they, personally, think it should be defined.
All relevant technology assists.
The main difference between the "Assisted" and
"Unassisted" categories has always been whether you
connect to external networks to improve your score
or gain a competitive advantage.
That's why, IMHO, the categories should change to
Connected and Unconnected. That would appear to
remove most uncertainty and ambiguity.
* You use the cluster - you're Connected.
* You use the RBN - you're Connected.
* You use real-time scoreboards, or any other
networked technology, to influence or
modify your strategy - you're Connected.
It's really simple - you're either Connected or
Unconnected.
I know and accept that local decoders and skimmer-
like technology would continue to be "Connected".
That's why I referred to "the main difference"
above.
73,
Paul EI5DI
73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/5/2016 12:52 AM, Fco. Luis Delgadillo wrote:
Enviado desde mi Huawei de Telcel
Ron
A couple of questions:
Have you tried yourself the live scoreboard.
The Best way to finding out, is perhaps, if you try the scoreboard
and then have an informed opinion - to discern facts from gut feelings?
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Asunto: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
De: Ron Notarius W3WN
Para: 'Pete Smith N4ZR' ,'CQ Contest'
CC:
But here's the thing Pete.
When you receive that information. how did you get it? Where did
it come
from? You said yourself. "You must decide to post your score" and
what
other information is to be posted for use by other operators.
So ultimately, the answer is. it came from other operators who are
posting
that information. How is that not assisted?
Look, I don't have a problem with the scoreboard or similar
exchanges of
information. I'm not saying that the software that provides the
capability
should be disabled.
Just please don't tell me that it's not "assisted" and using it
doesn't put
you into an Assisted or equivalent operating category. It is. (Or
to put
it in the vernacular, don't spill a drink on my slacks and then
tell me it's
raining.)
Sometimes I operate Single Op/Assisted. Sometimes I don't. The
reasons why
vary depending on the event in question and how I am choosing to
approach
it. I'm comfortable with either category these days. I just don't
pretend
one is the other. And I don't ask that the line between them be
blurred.
Either you are assisted. or you aren't. It is that simple.
73, ron w3wn
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From: Pete Smith N4ZR [mailto:n4zr@contesting.com]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Ron Notarius W3WN; CQ Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cqcontest.net
Ron, at least in the case of cqcontest.net and users of MM+, this
isn't
true. You must decideB to post your score, and you can decide (in
MM+)
whether or not to include a band breakdown.B Without band
information,
access to this resource is nothing but fun, and should not be
considered
assistance.B Perhaps the sponsors could voluntarily disable the band
breakdown display during contest weekends, and the whole issue
would go
away.
73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/4/2016 8:16 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
...The scoreboard is directly based on spotting information.
Therefore,
information derived from it is (IMHO) assistance for the purposes
of most
contests that recognize this category.
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