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Re: [CQ-Contest] CR3L Should Reconsider Submission Catagory

To: Jorge Diez CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CR3L Should Reconsider Submission Catagory
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:55:43 -0700
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As long as they legitimately qualified for more than one category I can't see a single ethical problem with them choosing which one they want to declare for within the window that the contest sponsor allows. Please tell me how doing so is a problem of ethics. Seriously ... please explain objectively how this represents an ethical violation of any sort.

Please remember that I'm one of the few that thinks using SCP and Call History files are at least a little bit inappropriate (although not illegal, of course) for unassisted operation, and I deplore the way the M/S and M/2 categories have been stretched beyond all recognition by some very large and intricately equipped stations. I'm pretty conservative when it comes to my perception of what is ethical and what isn't.

Dave   AB7E



On 12/7/2015 7:58 PM, Jorge Diez CX6VM wrote:
Well, if more people is thinking on this way, I see a short live to our hobby

Is not about the rules, is about the ethics, gentleman's

We don't need people looking for the small letters of the rules to take 
advantage

I read somewhere else that they first submit the log to CQWW as M2 and then 
they sent another day as MM

So if you agree with that because within the rules they can send as M2 or MM we 
are very bad

So V47T or CR3OO would change for SOAB HP ASSISTED to win the plaque and this 
is ok for you?

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W


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El 7 dic. 2015, a las 19:28, David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com> escribió:



What exactly is "unsportsmanlike" about it?  They (apparently) qualified for 
both M/2 and M/M ... equally.  They posted to 3830 and had to choose one at that point, 
but they had the option to choose either category right up until the official contest 
submission deadline.  They presumably didn't cheat, and the worst that could be said 
about them is that they misled you regarding their intended category with a 3830 posting 
they had no obligation to make in the first place.  They didn't even have to be honest in 
their 3830 posting since it has nothing to do with their official entry!

They competed identically ... and fairly ... whether they entered M/2 or MM.  
Nothing offensive about that in my opinion.

Dave   AB7E



On 12/7/2015 10:44 AM, John Crovelli wrote:
The CR3L Team should reconsider their decision to change from M/2 to M/M. Their 
clear intent was to enter M/2 and posting their score on 3830 as such 
immediately following the CQWW CW is evidence they most likely complied with 
all applicable rules for a M/2 entry.  It was only post-contest was it evident 
there was an opportunity to win M/M.
In my opinion, which seems to run with the majority based upon the dozens of 
comments made on this forum, the CR3L decision to change entry categories at 
the 11th hour, apparently to secure a winning score in the M/M entry class, is 
unsportsmanlike and offensive.  The CR3L team deserves to bare the brunt of the 
nearly universal negative commentary having taken this action.  Yes, what was 
done is allowed under the rules, but going down this path is well outside the 
spirit of fair competition.
I hope the CR3L team will reconsider what they have done and proceed to seek an 
administrative entry class change back to M/2 through negotiation with the CQ 
Contest Committee Chairman.
It is not to late to correct this wrong......it would be the class right thing 
to do under this circumstance.
Regards,
John CrovelliW2GD/P40W

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