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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Proposed Rules

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQWW Proposed Rules
From: John Laney <k4bai@att.net>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 17:37:10 -0400
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On 5/25/2015 2:23 PM, Joe wrote:
Not having a radio that tells my logger N1MM my frequencies I guess I'm screwed? Also just for the fun of it. I just made 2 bogus contacts using the logger for next weekend and on qso I entered in the window 21032 and the logger took it fine and even as usual thinks CW and then made another one that I told it the freq is 21046, this is what it spit out in the cabrillo file.

CREATED-BY: N1MM Logger+ 1.0.4905.0
QSO: 21000 CW 2015-05-22 0229 WB9SBD        599 0001   K9SB 599 0001
QSO: 21000 CW 2015-05-25 1816 WB9SBD        599 0002   KA9CHM 599 0008
END-OF-LOG:

Now would having a radio that actually tells the program what freq I'm on would it change the 21000 to the real freq?

Joe WB9SBD

On 5/25/2015 8:38 AM, w2lc@twcny.rr.com wrote:
CQWW rules changes

The Good
1)    SO non-assisted
2)    classic category
3)    club circle change - I may be able to join a real contest club now

The Bad
1) exact frequencies - non-compliance means you are a check log. "A log without all required information may be reclassified to check log" 2) no audio = DQ. "provide a complete recording of the contest operation audio as heard by the operator. Failure to do so may result in the entry being disqualified"
3) 5 day log deadline

So before I even turn on my radio I am either a check log and possibly DQed, if I score well enough. With a serious effort I will be a check log at best. Gee thanks

Questions I wish Randy would answer
1) How many do not log exact frequencies? this can be derived from the logs
2) How many record the audio?   Randy does this anyone else?
3) How many miss the 5 day deadline?

KE3X said "If you want to retain SOAB Unassisted and have results that mean something, then logging the frequency for each QSO and recording your effort is the price of admission".

Be careful what you ask for. If these rules are implemented and followed here is what may happen

No exact frequencies = check log     exactly why I do not operate RDXC
No audio recording = DQ
Not everyone has the two capabilities mentioned above or wants to go through the trouble.

These two rules relegate 99% to the status of participant since they are no longer considered a competitive entry (for not complying)

Kind of like being a walker in the Boston marathon or a 5k

I am actually training for a 5k, a lot of similarities to radio contests
various categories, wide variety of different people involved, various levels of competitiveness

But unlike radio contesting,
if I win my category I will not be a checklog because I used last year's sneakers
And I don't have to supply a video of my run

The exact frequency and recording rules are punishing the many due to the cheating of a few. The contest committee may have won the battle but may be losing the war by declaring 99% to be ineligible before the contest even starts.

So Dink, how about I fly out to Seattle and you and I go out to dinner on November 28 and reminisce about the good old times. That seafood place on the waterfront looks good

73 Scott W2LC

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I am mystified why some versions of N1MM seem to do what Joe says about changing the manually entered frequencies to 000 when the Cabrillo file is created. I am looking at a Cabrillo log for this year's FL QSO Party for W4AN/M. We had RFI problems and, after the first few minutes, we lost rig control. Every time we chanaged bands, we entered the exact frequency. We made only a few S&P QSOs. The Cabrillo file shows the frequency we enetered as our run frequency each time we changed bands. This was some version of N1MM and was not N1MM+. If this is some improvement that has been made to N1MM+, someone should correct it back to what it did for us in FQP. 73, John, K4BAI.




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