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Re: [CQ-Contest] on line scores

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] on line scores
From: David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:35:06 -0700
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Sorry, but that's a really silly analogy. Golf is a paid spectator event ... CQWW is not. And what possible relevance does the use of Skimmer or packet assistance have to your proposed paranoia?

What you are asking is more akin to requiring poker players to have all their cards in plain view for everyone to see, or for chess players to explain each of their moves as they make them. I see no correlation in the slightest between "honesty and frankness" and posting real time scores, and I challenge you to identify a single example of dishonesty that would be prevented by your proposal that would not be caught by the normal log checking procedures.

And you do realize that making logs publicly available AFTER the event (which I totally support) is not the same as requiring operating activity to be tracked and made public DURING the event, right? Apparently not ....

Dave   AB7E




On 11/26/2013 7:55 AM, Rick Dougherty wrote:
Soap Box- I want to commend the teams that took the time to post their
scores
on the cqcontest.ru site. Our friends in UA have dove an excellent job in
making the site easy to use and very accurate. On a different note I will
propose a change to the CQWW Rules to include some sort of rule that if a
station uses skimmer, packet or any other means of gathering information
they
will be obligated to post their scores. Here is a classic example given to
me
by KY4F.

"You and your wife are huge Golf fans, and save, and finally buy tickets
to the Master's Golf Tournament (CQWW CW is much like the Master's). In the
process of your attendance, Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson decide that they
will not allow their scores to be listed on the leader boards and that they
will keep their score cards in their pocket and not allow any fans or other
competitor to see their score. Their score cards will not be available until
after every participant has finished the Tournament".

I see no discernible difference in the above case, and our current leaders
in
CQWW who refuse to participate in posting their scores online. It is done in
the Golf world to openly and frankly show what the score is at every
stroke. It
is a display of honesty and frankness and is a requirement for entry in any
golf
tournament. I call upon all of the contesting community to request...no
require... that all participants who use any method of information
collection
to post their scores!

As the contesting community has adjusted to the requirement for logs to be
sent
in and posted for all to see, it is now time to change this unnecessary
behavior
and openly post your score for all to see. Not posting your score equals non
entry in the contest.

de Rick NQ4I
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