The requirement is that the 5 elements you list be exchanged. There is no
explicit requirement as to order of conveyance, only an example. We all
understand that as a practical matter using the order in the example facilates
the exchange and therefore use it. It is to our advantage to do so, this is a
timed competition and speed of exchange is paramount. Correctly or
incorrectly, I remember an ARRL contest manager opining that the order is
required, but IMHO that opinion has not been incorporated into the rules, nor
should it. To borrow from a recent CQWW thread, should an op be DQed for
walking a "Sunday driver" through the exchange information without requiring
the Sunday drive to perform the difficult task of parrotting back all 5
elements in the requisite order in the same breath? That's the only foolish
result that a mandatory element order would accomplish. Why would anyone want
that in Sweepstakes, which seeks to attract participation?
73, Dave K3ZJ
On Nov 21, 2013, at 5:00 PM, RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The callsign requirement is clearly stated in the SS rules, look it up:
>
> 4. Contest Exchange: The required exchange consists of:
>
>
> 4.1. A consecutive serial number;
> 4.2. Precedence;
> 4.3. Your Callsign
> 4.4. Check
> 4.5. ARRL/RAC Section (click here for the official list)
>
>
> I also noticed that the rules on the ARRL web page were recently changed to
> address the issue of operating more than 24 hours:
>
> 2.4. Scores will be calculated from contacts logged during the first 24 hours
> of operation.
> Clarification: the intent of this rule is to limit operating time (listening
> or transmitting) to
> 24 hours. Contacts logged after 24 hours of operation will not be counted
> toward the
> final score, there is no penalty for including those contacts in a submitted
> log, and the
> station contacted is eligible to receive credit for the contact.
>
> As of October 24, 2.4 used to just say (thanks Internet Wayback Machine!):
>
> 2.4 All entries may operate no more than 24 of the 30 hours.
>
> Tor
> N4OGW
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ve4xt@mymts.net" <ve4xt@mymts.net>
> To: David Siddall <hhamwv@gmail.com>
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Automation = lost essential skills
>
> I remember the lengthy discussion, and IIRC, there was no consensus: namely,
> that the inclusion of a sample wasn't necessarily an indication that the
> rules demanded it.
>
> However, I like the use of the example and it kinda throws me when an op
> omits his call (having already sent it), but I do not know of any operators
> who receive any kind of sanction for same.
>
> 73, Kelly
> ve4xt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 21, 2013, at 12:12, "David Siddall" <hhamwv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> You are right in my book too. But one exception is sweepstakes. I don't
>> know the rationale, but some years ago the ARRL contest manager ruled that
>> in sweepstakes only discrete complete exchanges are allowed. This extra
>> requirement doesn't seem to appear explicitly in the current rules (at
>> least that I can find), but I remember a lengthy thread on the subject on
>> this reflector.
>>
>> Example 1: NOT PERMITTED even though all required exchange information
>> transmitted & received.
>>
>> VE4XT: CQ CQ SS de VE4XT
>> K3ZJ: K3ZJ
>> VE4XT: K3ZJ 145 A 66 MB
>>
>> Example 2: Required exchange necessitates repeating call.
>>
>> VE4XT: CQ CQ SS de VE4XT
>> K3ZJ: K3ZJ
>> VE4XT: K3ZJ 145 A VE4XT 66 MB
>>
>> 73, Dave K3ZJ
>>
>> *-.-. --.-*
>>
>> *ve4xt at mymts.net <http://mymts.net>* ve4xt at mymts.net
>> <cq-contest%40contesting.com?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BCQ-Contest%5D%20Automation%20%3D%20lost%20essential%20skills&In-Reply-To=%3CSNT401-EAS3295C25EFCA570A4A15549AFEE10%40phx.gbl%3E>
>> *Wed Nov 20 22:27:59 EST 2013*
>>
>> That depends. If the receiving station heard the callsign, then the
>> callsign was sent, even if people who came late to the frequency
>> didn't hear it.
>>
>> An example:
>>
>> qrz, w1xyz
>> (vy2zm and g3tuc are now listening and know who is on frequency.
>> (IOW, they've heard w1xyz send his call))
>> vy2zm
>> vy2zm 599 05
>> 599 05
>> tu
>> g3tuc
>> g3tuc 599 05
>> 599 14
>> tu
>> k1zz
>> k1zz 599 05
>> CL?
>> w1xyz
>> r w1xyz 599 05
>>
>> In my book, all three QSOs are legit. Everybody received w1xyz's call.
>>
>> Am I right?
>>
>> 73, Kelly
>> ve4xt
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