If we assume that the HOST had the "newborn" contestor using the host call,
as he said the new fellow would be going for a ticket; then if this is truly
third party TRAFFIC, what about all the multi stations who have some one
operatingOTHER than the licensee ???
I guess that I always thought of third party traffic as being something other
than giving a report, ie passing messages to others.
Also, is the "control operator" ALWAYS "observing" activity in a M?M
operation ?? Does he never sleep ????
Bob W7TSQ/ YB3ASQ/ A35SQ etc
>From Ward Silver <hwardsil@wolfenet.com> Wed Apr 3 18:02:01 1996
From: Ward Silver <hwardsil@wolfenet.com> (Ward Silver)
Subject: 3rd party stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960403095834.21087B-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com>
No, I think that guest ops fall under the "permitted privileges" rules.
Licensed amateurs are permitted to talk to any other licensed amateurs
(excluding any "banned" countries), within the privileges of the control
operator. During MS/MM operations, the control operator is assumed to be
supervising the operation of *any* guest operator, not just the
less-privileged licensees. A lower-class licensee using the
control-operator's call is, of course, assumed to be under the direct
supervision of the control-op. So that's a whole 'nuther set of rules
suffering incidental violations ;-)
73, Ward N0AX
>From Gary Nieborsky <k7fr@ncw.net> Wed Apr 3 19:11:09 1996
From: Gary Nieborsky <k7fr@ncw.net> (Gary Nieborsky)
Subject: Re[2]: contest.bad file
Message-ID: <199604031911.LAA04833@bing.ncw.net>
At 10:11 AM 4/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
>In message "Re[2]: contest.bad file", DFREY@maila.harris.com writes:
>
>> Re: X5
>>
>> Y'all gonna piss off a whole bunch of Slovenians if you make X5 = S5.
>>
>> X5 is an unofficial prefix. Usually used by Serbs in Bosnia who do
>> not recognize the government. Sorta like those chaps the FBI is
>> watching in Montana....
>>
>> The only legal callsigns from Bosnia begin with T9.
>>
>> Dick K4XU
>>
>>
>Hey maybe we can get Marti Lane to go to Montana and start a new country!
>
>Should be more valid than Scaffold Reef!
>
>
Is he there in Jordan MT with the Freemen Group? OH2BH/Militia or Sovereign
Military Order Of Montana (M 1 litia)?
<8^P Gary K7FR
>From snace@tdrss.wsc.nasa.gov (Steve Nace) Wed Apr 3 19:54:06 1996
From: snace@tdrss.wsc.nasa.gov (Steve Nace) (Steve Nace)
Subject: Power and dBs: Dr Baffoonik, where are you?
Message-ID: <v01510105ad8887861536@[192.77.86.212]>
I know the good Doctor Baffoonik can clear up this highly complex debate
about power and dB. Where are you Doc?
>From john.devoldere@innet.be (John Devoldere) Wed Apr 3 20:11:05 1996
From: john.devoldere@innet.be (John Devoldere) (John Devoldere)
Subject: OT6T story in WPX SSB
Message-ID: <199604032015.WAA18359@mail.be.innet.net>
CALL: OT6T
OPERATOR: RA3AUU
STATION: ON4UN
CATEGORY: SINGLE OP (means no assisted, High Power)
PS The 2830 reflector lists OT6T in the assisted Cat, which is not correct.
BAND QSO POINTS PTS/QSO MULTS
160 107 248 2.2 62
80 481 1638 3.4 240
40 379 1640 4.3 86
20 1716 4364 2.5 446
15 117 265 2.3 67
10 0 0 0 0
TOT 2800 8155 2.9 901
Score: 7,347,655 points.
---------------------------------------------------------
The story:
This year I made an agreement that Harry, RA3AUU would operate this contest,
single op, all band. Harry knew about the good results during the ARRL Phone
contest on 80m, and so he expected great low-band conditions. Most of the
beverage antennas had been taken down a few weeks ago, but on Friday
morning, Harry and me worked nearly 3 hours on the fields to put them back
up. So Harry felt very confident. On Friday afternoon we paid a visit to
OT6A where all the guys were working like beavers putting everything
together. Strong beavers it had to be considering the size and the weight of
the new (big ...) amplifiers they installed (couple 4-1000A's).
Harry started on 80 meters, but he clearly did not like all the screaming
and pushing. He is a real gentleman too, I heard him clearing the frequency
like "would it please be possible to ...", that is when the rig was on the
air. What he said (in Russian) in-between his transmission will probably
always remain a secret. The first offender of the weekend was OM7V, who
wanted to nest himself right in-between Harry and YZ1U. Maybe he wanted
"close company". But that was too close for comfort. It took old (he's 26
but grows years older during the course of the contest..) Harry 10 or 15
minutes to move the guy. I've had similar problems with lot's of OM stations
in every contest. I wonder if they are taught to do it that way? The rate in
the first hours was dreadful: only 83 QSO's. I was watching (old) Harry and
started to feel sorry. I guess he felt the same way. But that was only the
first hour. And you have to work those easy" European multipliers as well.
Anyhow, forty should be much better. Harry went to 40 and found condition
very poor. After 10 minutes (around 01:30 z) and not a single US-station
worked, he went to 160 where he staid for almost one hour. Harry tried 40
again around 03:45 and found it still totally dead to the US! What a shame.
Back to 80, where the states came in reasonably well, but nothing really
West of the East coast, with the exception of a few Mid-West stations. Not a
single W6 or W7. Boy that was a "poor" low band night. What the hell did we
put all these Beverages up for?
Thirty minutes after sunrise Harry gave 20 meters a first try and worked a
bunch of ex-USSR stations and one or two JA's, but the going was slow. Back
to 40 for 30 minutes, but still no US. Only a couple of South Americans and
VK's. After 30 more minutes on 20, and not being able to raise a JA pile-up,
Harry had enough of it and went to sleep for 3 hours. Forty was a disaster:
not a single W all night long!
Between 10:30 and 13:30 Harry alternated between 20 and 15, but the 15-meter
excursions where short in duration and just yielded a few South American and
African QSO's During the entire contest Harry only once heard a US station
when beaming to South America (it was K5ZD working CE5CNT). This is to say
that not a single US-station was worked on 15 over the entire contest
weekend. You wonder about 10 meters? That story is very short: zero QSO's.
Basta.
Fortunately 20 was good to the US, and the band remained open pretty late
(22:00z). The first assault on 40 at 22:00z was not very successful again,
not a single W was worked. Finally at 23:00z the band opened up. The
problem now was that Harry had planned to take a few hours off, especially
based on last night's experience. Back in the shack at 03:00 40 seems to be
wide open. Maybe Harry slept through the best hours of 40? Who will ever
tell. Between 03:00z and 06:00z Harry alternated between 40, a80 and 160. By
sunrise of the second day, Harry had 1940 QSO 's in the log, but much less
low band contacts than hoped for.
Twenty seemed to be much better on Sunday than what it was on the first day:
a reasobnable pile-up of JA's was worked. Even 15 produces some good
multipliers as early as 07:30z, including VK, 9V1. VU, YB, HS etc.
Between 08:00z and 12:00z was the last planned rest period. From 12:00z
Harry would then be able to run continuously to fill his 36 hours of maximum
operating time.
Harry would stay on 20 from 12:00z until 22:30 z, with only a few short
excursions on 15 to work some South American multipliers and a short go on
40 to look for more of the missing European multipliers (at that time Harry
was still missing at least 25 DL multipliers!).
As time progressed, it was surprising to see Harry's (vocal) power output
dropping, while at the same time the quality deteriorated: just like an old
time Russian SSB signal ... I wondered whether or not he would survive the
contest. He blamed it on Coca Cola! His sensitive voice wanted nice hot tea,
with lot's of lemon... So we obliged. But the voice did not get better. I
wonder how they ever understood the numbers he was giving out. Even me,
sitting in the comfortable arm chair behind his back could not! Not only the
voice quality deteriorated though. I heard Harry calling CQ with OT5T and
even with OT4T . Even once he used OM6T and ON4UN (who's that?). I never
heard him using his own Belgian call though (ON9CIB) nor RA3AUU who's that?).
Between 22:30 and 24:00z a last assault was given to the low bands: 40 was
well loaded with US-stations. Realising that he lacked so many
DL-multipliers, Harry ventured back to 80 to try to make up for that shortage.
At 23:57 Harry worked his last multiplier, who was a German one: DJ8UF. That
was multiplier number 901. One minute later Harry made his last QSO in the
contest: he gave out serial number 2800.
Then it was all over: the computer showed 7,347,655 points.
Before the contest started I looked at last year's results, and told Harry
that in order to do at least as good as last year (which would be OK
considering the even lower sun spot numbers) he would have to make 2,740
QSO's with 875 multipliers. I did not know Harry was that accurate. I
should have asked for more.
Considering the horrible state of the low bands on the first night, and
considering 10 was dead, and 15 produced not a single US contact, the
results is quite outstanding I think.
The competition will once more come from Southern Europe. When 40 was dead
to the US with us, Harry heard S5 and I's working the States with no problem.
I hope Harry enjoyed the contest. I certainly enjoyed seeing Harry suffering....
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john.devoldere@innet.be
Call us in all major 1996 contests: ON4UN (OT6T in WPX)
John Devoldere (ON4UN-AA4OI)
POBOX 41
B-9000 Ghent (Belgium)
>From Bruce Lallathin <aa8u@voyager.net> Wed Apr 3 20:39:51 1996
From: Bruce Lallathin <aa8u@voyager.net> (Bruce Lallathin)
Subject: multiple personalities
Message-ID: <199604032039.PAA25119@vixa.voyager.net>
At 07:40 AM 4/3/96 -0700, you wrote:
>We were running a strictly single transmitter station, so it was
>not possible for us to transmit on two different frequencies at
>the same time. It appears that there are a few people around who
>decided to play some games.
Hi Alan,
Yes, and SICK games they were! Many were victimized during wpx. Likely a
sign of things to come. With the exposure the internet provides, if this
person(s) is on internet there is plenty of feedback to satisfy their
twisted minds! I don't advocate not discussing it, just pointing out what
seems obvious to me.
A fake KT8X was heard all over the place, even by us on our mult station. I
have been getting lots of email from others that thought we were
intentionally qrm'ing them. Not so! We didn't have time to play games,
especially something as sick as the "dvp-qrm'er" did.
Somehow, we will endure this new form of qrm as we have other types in the
past and we will still have fun contesting! Hope you do also.
73,
Bruce (AA8U, KT8X for WPX)
>
>Alan, K6XO - one of the ops of KI7WX
>
>alan@es.com
>
>See you in the Utah Centennial QSO Party, August 24/25, 1996
>
>
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