>Unless, I don't understand Part 97, since we don't have third party
>agreements with Croatia, Russia, and Bulgaria (to the best of my knowledge),
>your unlicensed guest is not supposed to talk to them.
If there were no personal messages relayed on behalf of a "third party," how
the devil do the third party agreements, or lack thereof, come into play in
this situation???
GO FOR IT, TAD!! KEEP ON GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE HOBBY!!!!!
73, Jeff N6RVZ
>From w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) Wed Apr 3 09:30:12 1996
From: w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) (Stan Griffiths)
Subject: S units
Message-ID: <199604030930.BAA22938@desiree.teleport.com>
>At 01:24 PM 4/2/96 -0500, N6CQ wrote:
>
>>All I wanted to do is disagree with the statement that 5** would not offer
>>a significant advantage over 1.5** anyhow. More than TRIPLING
>>your POWER is NOT an insignificant change (whatever the effect on your
>>S-meter) and has to give an advantage in a contest.
>>73 Bill
>>N6CQ@paonline.com
>
>And anyone who don't believe this is nuts.
Or, at the very least, they aren't winning contests . . .
>de Hose KN5H -- an ex-resident of the 'land of 2-holers'
>(and I aint talkin' about out-houses)
>
Stan w7ni@teleport.com
>From w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) Wed Apr 3 09:53:38 1996
From: w7ni@teleport.com (Stan Griffiths) (Stan Griffiths)
Subject: A contester is born...
Message-ID: <199604030953.BAA27320@desiree.teleport.com>
>>Unless, I don't understand Part 97, since we don't have third party
>>agreements with Croatia, Russia, and Bulgaria (to the best of my knowledge),
>>your unlicensed guest is not supposed to talk to them.
>
>If there were no personal messages relayed on behalf of a "third party," how
>the devil do the third party agreements, or lack thereof, come into play in
>this situation???
>
>GO FOR IT, TAD!! KEEP ON GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE HOBBY!!!!!
>
>73, Jeff N6RVZ
The "First Party" is the control op of the U.S. station. The "Second Party"
is the op at the DX station. The "Third Party" is the unlicensed guest.
The personal message passed was the contest exchange.
By the way, the "Third Party" could actually be a licensed ham who is not
licensed to operate in the portion of the band the QSO is taking place in.
I agree that getting people involved in the hobby is a great idea. Just
have them operate in Field Day or Sweepstakes and give them an "incentive"
to get a licensed to work DX.
Stan w7ni@teleport.com
>From David Robbins <robbins@berkshire.net> Wed Apr 3 18:58:52 1996
From: David Robbins <robbins@berkshire.net> (David Robbins)
Subject: A contester is born...
References: <199604030953.BAA27320@desiree.teleport.com>
Message-ID: <3162CA6C.6215@berkshire.net>
Stan Griffiths wrote:
>
> >>Unless, I don't understand Part 97, since we don't have third party
> >>agreements with Croatia, Russia, and Bulgaria (to the best of my knowledge),
> >>your unlicensed guest is not supposed to talk to them.
> >
> >If there were no personal messages relayed on behalf of a "third party," how
> >the devil do the third party agreements, or lack thereof, come into play in
> >this situation???
> >
> >GO FOR IT, TAD!! KEEP ON GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE HOBBY!!!!!
> >
> >73, Jeff N6RVZ
>
> The "First Party" is the control op of the U.S. station. The "Second Party"
> is the op at the DX station. The "Third Party" is the unlicensed guest.
> The personal message passed was the contest exchange.
but the person at the mic is not passing that information for themselves.
i would see it the same as having someone record your dvp messages for you
because you had laryngitis and all you did was push buttons. you have a
slightly smart voice keyer under your control. now if they were holding
an independent conversation i could see where there might be problems, but
not in a contest situation. there are still lots of misconceptions, most
over conservative about these rules... another common one is that the
control op has to identify the station personally, there is no such rule...
he just has to make sure it gets done.
>
> By the way, the "Third Party" could actually be a licensed ham who is not
> licensed to operate in the portion of the band the QSO is taking place in.
>
check on that... i am pretty sure the revised rules make it clear that a
third party is an unlicensed person. any licensed ham can talk anywhere
with the proper control op at the power switch.
> I agree that getting people involved in the hobby is a great idea. Just
> have them operate in Field Day or Sweepstakes and give them an "incentive"
> to get a licensed to work DX.
>
> Stan w7ni@teleport.com
--
ky1h@berkshire.net or robbins@berkshire.net
http://www.berkshire.net/~robbins/ky1h.html
WWW Page now has New England Flea Market list from W1GSL
>From David Robbins <robbins@berkshire.net> Wed Apr 3 19:08:14 1996
From: David Robbins <robbins@berkshire.net> (David Robbins)
Subject: WPX Survey
References: <70960403025807/0006008716DC6EM@MCIMAIL.COM>
Message-ID: <3162CC9E.7C9D@berkshire.net>
Doug Grant wrote:
>
> Due to several circumstances, I was unable to operate full-time in the WPX
> SSB.
>
> ONe problem was the feedlines melting down after I installed 2x4CX5000A
> amplifier to try to stay competitive...
> ...snip...
>
> ANd, yes, I broke the rules by signing bootlegged calls. But it was worth it.
>
> Doug K1DG
ok, what is going on here.... are these true confession messages for
real or has someone started pirating e-mail addresses. this one isn't
even dated april-1 like some of the other ones were. i am not normally
one of the humor impaired, but personally i have found some of these
messages confessing to obvious illegal practices to be in very poor
taste. and i would not be at all surprised to find excerpts from them
(with out the 1-april date, but with the powers and callsigns) get into
some anti-contester's finger pointing messages.
if they are all jokes, what do i have to do to get loud enough to be
included????????
73, dave
--
ky1h@berkshire.net or robbins@berkshire.net
http://www.berkshire.net/~robbins/ky1h.html
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>From palooka@pyrotechnics.com (Joe Pontek, K8JP) Wed Apr 3 12:11:41 1996
From: palooka@pyrotechnics.com (Joe Pontek, K8JP) (Joe Pontek, K8JP)
Subject: A contester is born...
Message-ID: <199604031211.GAA30541@kiwi.pyrotechnics.com>
Hi Stan, W7NI
>The "First Party" is the control op of the U.S. station. The "Second Party"
>is the op at the DX station. The "Third Party" is the unlicensed guest.
>The personal message passed was the contest exchange.
Correct.
>By the way, the "Third Party" could actually be a licensed ham who is not
>licensed to operate in the portion of the band the QSO is taking place in.
Wrong. Third is a non-amateur licensed person. If what you said was
correct, messages from amateurs relayed by amateur to another amateur would
be third party traffic. It is not. Third-party only refers to NON-licensed
people.
>I agree that getting people involved in the hobby is a great idea. Just
>have them operate in Field Day or Sweepstakes and give them an "incentive"
>to get a licensed to work DX.
Again, this year, I am going out to FD with a local club. So far, I have
three members starting to get involved in contesting since last years FD and
a program that I did on contesting for the club.
>Stan w7ni@teleport.com
73, K8Joe"Palooka"
palooka@pyrotechnics.com
>From Joseph M. O'Brien" <jobrien@minerva.cis.yale.edu Wed Apr 3 13:30:03 1996
From: Joseph M. O'Brien" <jobrien@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joseph M. O'Brien)
Subject: A contester is born...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960403081812.3852A-100000@morpheus>
On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 palooka@pyrotechnics.com wrote:
> Hi Stan, W7NI
>
> >The "First Party" is the control op of the U.S. station. The "Second Party"
> >is the op at the DX station. The "Third Party" is the unlicensed guest.
> >The personal message passed was the contest exchange.
>
> Correct.
>
> >By the way, the "Third Party" could actually be a licensed ham who is not
> >licensed to operate in the portion of the band the QSO is taking place in.
>
> Wrong. Third is a non-amateur licensed person. If what you said was
> correct, messages from amateurs relayed by amateur to another amateur would
> be third party traffic. It is not. Third-party only refers to NON-licensed
> people.
>
Actually, Stan is correct. From the 10th edition, FCC rule book, part
97.3(a)(44):
Third Party Communications. A message from the control operator
(first party) of an amateur station to another amateur station control
operator (second party) on behalf of another person (third party).
The "another person" does not distinguish between "hams" and "non-hams."
Hence a General class ham operating in the extra class sub-band with an
extra class operator present as the control operator is a third-party.
Joe IS correct when he says that "messages from amateurs relayed by [an]
amateur to another amateur" do not constitute third party traffic.
However, this is because FCC part 97.115(a)(2) creates a specfic EXCEPTION
for cases where "the third party is a licensed amateur" and NOT because
the rule itself says third parties are only non-amateurs.
Hope this helps clear up things!
73,
Joe, WI2E
jobrien@minerva.cis.yale.edu
>From alan@ES.COM (Alan Brubaker) Wed Apr 3 14:40:30 1996
From: alan@ES.COM (Alan Brubaker) (Alan Brubaker)
Subject: multiple personalities
Message-ID: <199604031440.HAA04732@greely.corp.es.com>
We were running a strictly single transmitter station, so it was
not possible for us to transmit on two different frequencies at
the same time. It appears that there are a few people around who
decided to play some games.
Alan, K6XO - one of the ops of KI7WX
alan@es.com
See you in the Utah Centennial QSO Party, August 24/25, 1996
>From De Syam <syam@Glue.umd.edu> Wed Apr 3 15:15:15 1996
From: De Syam <syam@Glue.umd.edu> (De Syam)
Subject: WPX SSB Contest: K3ZO Results and Comments
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960403095201.3209A-100000@fortran.eng.umd.edu>
This was an interesting contest. Murphy was present most of the
weekend, but my score improved a lot over last year's anyway.
First the results:
K3ZO: Single Operator/All Band/High Power
BAND Raw QSOs Valid QSOs Points Prefixes
_____________________________________________________
80SSB 402 402 1120 207
40SSB 219 219 1236 42
20SSB 1476 1476 3692 511
15SSB 53 53 143 28
10SSB 23 23 66 7
_____________________________________________________
Totals 2173 2173 6257 795
Final Score = 4,974,315 points.
Off times: 05:33 - 10:11 (30) 4 hrs 38 mins
01:57 - 04:33 (31) 2 36
07:57 - 10:56 (31) 2 59
13:37 - 15:27 (31) 1 50
----------------------------------------------------
Total 12 03
The contest started out well. Tuning around on 20 just before the
contest, I heard my friend Dallas, K3WUW/HS0ZBI, just getting set
for his effort from HS50A, so we talked until the contest started,
and by that time we had been joined by E22AAB (HS0/G3NOM In
disguise) and HS1CHB, so I started off the contest with three
different Thailand prefixes. The first ten minutes of CQ'ing
brought two JT1's and UA8TAA, but the peak had passed with Japan so
there was little volume to the North and I finally aimed West and
picked up lots of West Coast zero-point prefix multipliers. (I was
somewhat surprised when an EA1 called me off the back of the beam
at about 0130 his local time; the high sun angle this time of year
is helping 20 even with the sunpots almost nil; Why don't we have
good openings at that time of the morning on 20? Because he's a
lot closer to the Geomagnetic Equator than we are.)
After the West Coast runs on 20 tailed off, I went directly to 80,
figuring that the Europeans on 40 would still be running high rates
on their own frequencies, and not many would be listening split
yet. But before I could get going on 80 I had to cope with
Murphy's first visit. Because of ice damage two years ago to my
KLM 80 meter beam, I have an antenna tuner in line with the 80
meter beam at all times. This is because we were never able to get
it completely tuned on the CW end the one time we had a crane in
here since then. Well, I couldn't get the antenna to tune at all
on any part of the band tonight, so, after determining that a
length of coax between the antenna tuner and the coaxial antenna
switch was shorted, I connected the 80 meter beam directly to the
antenna switch, since the antenna is tuned fine for SSB work, and
I only really need the tuner when I work CW. Lesson #1: Check out
everything BEFORE the contest, not after it has already started.
Not adhering to this adage cost me 20 minutes of non-deductible
prime time.
I fired up around 3803 at 0203, listening on 3721 or so, and was
immediately the object of an unbelievable European pile-up, totally
unexpected. Usually when I work split on 40 or 80, my receiving
problems come from either QRN or stations adjacent to my receive
frequency, and not from stations creating QRM for each other by
calling me. Not that I minded this turn of events!
The pile-up died down in a hurry. There weren't really that many
stations, but apparently even fewer on this side who were listening
down -- I believe I can name them all: KE1Y, KC1XX, WZ1R and
myself at that particular point in time.
I stayed on 80, running them on my own frequency when the European
string began to end, and then knocked off for my first time out at
0533. When I came back on again at 1011, I fiddled around on 40
and 80 getting mults and then went to 20 far too soon. At 1045
GMT, the band was somewhat open but only a few Europeans could hear
me through their regional QRM, and there weren't that many Africans
beyond 6V6U to take up the slack. Finally at 1140 or so I could
begin to run them at decent rates, and I resolved to stay on the
lower bands later the following morning.
The increasing sunlight over the North Pole has brought back our
morning short-path opening to Asia, and after HS0/G4UAV called in
at 1218, I pushed the 6-el Yagi up to 20 degrees to try to catch
some Asians along with the Europeans in the run. Lots of Russian
3, 4, 9 and 0 area QSO's resulted along with the odd YB, 9M2 and
9M8. K1VWL also made his presence at BY1QH known to me. Things
went on pretty well until about 1545 when the rate began to drop
precipitously. It seemed that a lot of the Europeans were beaming
in other directions since they were still having good openings to
the East and to each other, and my high 6-el Yagi (150 feet) had
ceased to dominate while the lower 4-el quad (78 feet) had not yet
come into its own.
So I went to 15 and Murphy dropped in again. March around here is
typically a month of relatively high winds (for us), and this year
was no exception. The Tailtwister which rotates the 4-el Quad took
a real beating in the ARRL Phone DX Contest and through the rest of
March, and, though still turning, it does not want to go where I
want it to sometimes if the winds are a little high. So I thought
that for the few South Americans and Africans on the band, I would
use the 40-meter Yagi instead, so I wouldn't have to turn the quad
away from Europe, where I would need it later on 20. The 40 meter
beam works pretty well on 15 even if the SWR is up around 2:1.
Well, instead of tuning up carefully I blundered on to the band
with the Titan 425 out of resonance and promptly popped one of my
Bird 10-position coaxial antenna switches, so I had to transfer all
important antennas to the other one, which took a little non-
deductible time again.
About 10 QSO's on 15 and I'd worked everything that was there, so
back to 20 again. About this time Murphy entered the picture again
in the form of a neighbor accompanied by dictaphone tape recorder
knocking on my door to prove that I was interfering with her TV and
telephone. I had been warned by a local ham after the ARRL Phone
DX Contest that a neighbor was gunning for me but I didn't know who
it was until she knocked on my door. This was a person with whom
my attorney and I had dealt unpleasantly before -- my earlier
attempt to solve this family's problem had ceased abruptly when I
was forcibly ejected from their home after ascertaining that one of
their TV sets -- the one I was bothering -- had been illegally
hooked up to the cable TV system -- using zip cord, no less! The
husband is a former CB'er who fancies himself as an electronics
expert -- you get the picture. He "knows" how to hook up to the
cable system for free and then the spoil-sport ham neighbor comes
along with RFI and foils his little plot! Well, at least this time
I had a bullet-proof phone to give her so hopefully half the
problem has been solved. More non-deductible time wasted!
I suffered so-so rates again until 1900 or so when the 4-el quad
finally came into its own, along with most Europeans being forced
to look our way because we were now the only game in town. At 2300
I went to 40 and after working 15 or so loud ones who were
listening up, I found a frequency to CQ on and again was promptly
set upon by a monstrous and surprising European pile-up.
A pause here to describe how I find a good run frequency on 40,
though it will concern relatively few on this reflector because it
probably requires a 40 meter beam to be able to run sufficient
volumes on 40. No, I DON'T listen to what the Europeans running
W's are calling out for listening frequencies and fire up there.
I know it's been done, but is there really any moral difference
between doing this and knowingly firing up on "someone else's"
transmit frequency when using simplex? I tune through the USA
phone band from the bottom up to about 7225 (my 3-el Telrex takes
in both the phone and CW bands at one setting - it's tuned for
about 7075 - so I don't like to run people above 7225 due to the
higher SWR) and use the clearest frequency I can find in that
range. I choose a .5 split so in case I do get near "someone's"
listening frequency I won't be right on top of them.
And, yes, I always find a listening frequency above 7040 which is
the lower limit for SSB in the IARU Region 1 band plan. OK, I
admit that I do it partly in self-defense because I don't want to
feel guilty when IARU Region 1 President PA0LOU, who I see
regularly at IARU meetings, harps on this topic once again as he
does every time I meet him. But I also respect my fellow
contesters in Europe, and their desire to adhere to their IARU
Region's voluntary band plan. I don't want to force them to make
the decision between going down below 7040 to work me and thereby
possibly subjecting themselves to the wrath of other European hams,
or not working me at all. On 80 meters I also avoid listening in
the IARU Region 1 Contest-Free-Zone from 3650 to 3700. In addition
to the above-stated reason, my Yagi, which is a good low-noise
receiving antenna (except when there are thunderstorms off the back
in W4- and W5-land -- its F/B ratio on 80 phone is not the
greatest), is fairly narrow-band and the closer the frequency I can
find nearest to 3750, the better I am able to use its all of its
available forward gain on receive.
At any rate I had this immediate pile-up of Europeans to handle,
and it seemed to hold up pretty well. True, I had to dodge loud
stations who showed up near my transmit frequency and change my
listening frequency a few times, but they just kept on coming.
OD5NJ even acquired a remote VFO between the ARRL contest and now -
I could answer him without a pause this time! Another surprise was
RV0AR calling in at 2348 GMT.
80 wasn't as productive as the night before into Europe so once 40
died down it wasn't hard to convince myself to take a break at
0157. My decision was helped by a comment made by single-band KE1Y
in the middle of a CQ that he was getting bored! Back on the band
at 0433, there were a fair number of additional Europeans to be
worked, and then I went to listening on my own transmit frequency
at about 3810. One station that called me there was 8P6NE, who
gave me the big number 006. I didn't work another 8P6 the whole
contest. This reminded me that there is a Caribbean Net that meets
on 3815 around 1030 GMT and if you use a nearby frequency for
running between 1000 and 1030 you can sometimes attract these net
participants to call you. And somebody said we contesters don't
have any secrets? I was earlier berated by a couple of our
brethren for revealing that for the Spanish-speaking cogniscenti
there is an LU Novice band which runs between 28900-29100 just
loaded with eager beginners ready to acommodate the Spanish-
speaking contester. You would have thought I had sold the family
heirlooms! Frankly, my great desire is to have everybody know
everything I know and then to be able to more-or-less compete with
them anyway. If there is something I haven't mentioned, obviously
it's not because I don't like to run off at the mouth about things!
Either I didn't know it myself or I just forgot to bring it up.
I went to 40 to get South American mults rather quickly and then
knocked off again at 0757.
Up again at 1056, I resolved to stay on 40 and 80 longer this time
and not to go to 20 too soon. After all, you do get double points
on 40 and 80 in this contest, so you can get by with half of the
rate you would want on 20 and above. It was at this time that I
got my one and only sudden inspiration of the contest. HC8A was
running stations on 3799 and several VK's were taking turns trying
to attract his attention, but HC8A was hearing the W's and the JA's
better than the VK's, obviously. And the VK's were LOUD here. I
asked myself the question: "How can I get those VK's to call ME?"
The VK's theoretically have a window between 3794 and 3800, but
long ago their authorities told them not to use 3794, and lately
the issue of how far the lower sidebands extend out from the
carrier frequency has moved the authorities to limit them to 3798-
3800 for all practical purposes. Well, I figured, maybe HC8A
wouldn't mind all that much if I fired up on 3798 for a brief run.
I was immediately rewarded with four quick VK and one FK QSO plus
a few USA and Canadians thrown in. Then I heard VK3EW break
through to HC8A on 3799 so I folded my tent and stole away to 40,
where I ran a few VK's and ZL's on my own transmit frequency,
before being asked to listen down by someone who turned out to be
an FK! Yes it does help to have beams on these two bands! On 40
I worked the only two JA's I could hear; they were coming in over
Hawaii instead of direct path which always makes things more
difficult here.
Twenty Sunday was essentially a repeat of Saturday's conditions.
Therefore when the high Yagi lost its edge I used up the rest of my
time off starting at 1337. I think taking the time off this early
rather than being forced to do it during high-rate hours later on
was the key to a better score for me this time. It seems counter-
intuitive to take a time off so early in the morning but since you
only have 20 meters for high rates at this point in the cycle, why
not? Later I came back on and found both 15 and 10 good for a few
mults that hadn't been available on 20. 9R1A and J56CK were also
begging on 15, as was AH8A.
Murphy returned to the fray about four hours before the contest
ended. I was running them reasonably well on 20 and the frequency
had cleared up nicely, but it became harder and harder for me to
answer callers. At times I had to try three or four times before
the rig would come on the air. And it just got worse. A couple of
times it took so long to come back that I briefly lost my run
frequency. Baffled Europeans were repeating their numbers to me
again and again, wondering why I hadn't acknowledged. In
retrospect, I had noticed that toward the end of both the ARRL CW
and Phone contests I had had similar problems, but of a much more
intermittent nature. Lesson #2: I should have fixed them then
instead of waiting for the problem to aggravate itself. Anyway,
#2 TS-830-S was substituted for TS-830-S #1, and the problem was
solved. Except that TS-830-S #2 has a dirty bandswitch on the 20
meter position which caused me to "lose the nixies" a couple of
times, once while in the middle of giving my exchange to an HC2.
Resolved: Immediately prior to the next major contest, all
antennas, coaxes, connectors, exciters, and amps will be given a
smoke test!
A couple of final comments: Boy it was great to see all those
LU-H's (Cordoba Province) in there. That was my old stamping
grounds as LU5HFI in 1972-1974 and I like to think some of my
enthusiasm for contesting rubbed off on some of the locals who have
passed it on to the next generation of hams. Old friend LU3HAK,
one of the mainstays of the LU4HH club, was up here this past
summer, attended a PVRC meeting with me, and I believe he took some
of the continuing enthusiasm back with him.
And I was non-plussed when KB3TS/NH6, after giving me his #001,
proclaimed: "Go FRC!" Can it possibly be a case of mistaken
identity? A fortuitous one in this case.
Murphy and all, it was fun! Now we can relax and chat up all you
guys at Visalia and Dayton before returning to the other half of
WPX in late May.
Oh yes, I had once promised to give out some tips for phone
operating to go with some CW tips I gave out earlier. That
won't be necessary now. Pile-up master N6KT has said it
all in a beautifully written three-part series in CQ
Contest Magazine. There is nothing I can possibly add to
Rich's excellent piece. Read, for example, Rich's succinct
explanation of why "last two letters" is useful for DX nets
but not for contest pile-ups. A beautiful piece of work,
just terrific!
Very 73,
Fred Laun, K3ZO
>From AA3JU George Cook <george@epix.net> Wed Apr 3 15:20:55 1996
From: AA3JU George Cook <george@epix.net> (AA3JU George Cook)
Subject: Gags and stuff
Message-ID: <199604031515.KAA27355@coconut.epix.net>
A couple fellows seem to have there underware all bunched up over what are
obvious Gags surrounding April 1st. Fellows please relax they are jokes you
are supposed to get a little chuckle out of it and move on with your life.
Kinda like the funny papers in the Sunday news. Sometimes someone will
respond a day or two after the fact so they may not all carry an April 1
date on them.
So please take a little prune juice and go in peace knowing that soon we
will be back to normal endlessly discussing SSTV, Pig Farmers, Rules we
Wanna Change, Code/NoCode, Why Scarbourough Reef is/is not a country,
leaveling the playing field, why WRTC is great/sucks, and why guys on the
east coast have an unfair advantage.
Oh yeah just a little hint there really isn't a Poisson de Avril contest
those posts are supposed to be funny too. Now where the hell did I put
those 8Cx10000 tubes I bought down in Timonium?
AA3JU george@epix.net AA3JU@W3PYF
Proudly F R C...........
"FRC When second best just isn't good enough!"
>From jfenster@hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker) Wed Apr 3 16:01:49 1996
From: jfenster@hpux.mesd.k12.or.us (Jim Fenstermaker) (Jim Fenstermaker)
Subject: A contester is born...
I'll skip the commentary about 3rd Party, et all...
I have been conducting radio merit badge classes to a group of 10 scouts for
the last two months. Last weekend, one of the guys came over to the house
and I put him on the radio to work the TEST for a little while. After
giving him some basic instructions, I let him go and he had 60 Q's in about
90 minutes! He was really flying!!!
This little guy is 12 years and loves baseball. After he left, he went to
the first Little League game of the season. His mom called later and told
me that he was so excited about the radio that he wanted to come back to my
house rather than play the round ball game.
So, this week, a supply of "Now Your'e Talking" is being purchased along
with code tapes. I want to insure my station will be manned in the upcoming
years with the new crop of contesters!
73 Jim K9JF/7
>From Jimmy R. Floyd - Personal DYN - D000909" <floydjr@Interpath.com Wed Apr
>3 16:10:32 1996
From: Jimmy R. Floyd - Personal DYN - D000909" <floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R.
Floyd - Personal DYN - D000909)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <199604031610.LAA04518@mail-hub.interpath.net>
>From Jimmy R. Floyd - Personal DYN - D000909" <floydjr@Interpath.com Wed Apr
>3 16:12:14 1996
From: Jimmy R. Floyd - Personal DYN - D000909" <floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R.
Floyd - Personal DYN - D000909)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <199604031612.LAA04571@mail-hub.interpath.net>
>From Jimmy R. Floyd" <floydjr@Interpath.com Wed Apr 3 15:25:38 1996
From: Jimmy R. Floyd" <floydjr@Interpath.com (Jimmy R. Floyd)
Subject: CQ WPX Contest 96 Scores III
Message-ID: <199604031634.LAA06268@mail-hub.interpath.net>
CQ WPX CONTEST 96
RAW SCORES
Complied by
WA4ZXA
Email: floydjr@interpath.com
Date Posted: 04/03/96
CALL HRS SCORE QSO'S PTS PREFIXES
__________________________________________________________________________
QRP
KA1CZF 135,000 215 196
KV8S 77,121 200 451 171
VE7CQK 75,504 200 528 143
SO/HP/AB
S50A 8,211,376 2950 8984 914
OT6T (RA3AUU) 7,347,655 2800 8155 901
S58AB 4,501,896 2070 5908 762
F6FGZ 3,764,922 1794 5273 714
OH6KIT 2,571,320 1882 715
ZL6CC 2,008,190 1380 4090 491
VD3EJ 9,640,752 3151 912
KQ2M (@KY3N) 5,400,000 2202 818
KC1XX (AA1ND) 5,180,000 2301 820
KM9P 5,027,022 2402 837
K3ZO 4,974,315 2173 6257 795
VO1MP 3,408,480 1682 648
K5ZD 21 3,340,620 1592 4986 670
CG3CRC 3,273,452 1683 644
KW8N 3,200,000 1736 738
KI4HN (@AA4NC) 3,000,000 1673 732
WZ4F 2,928,101 1861 737
VE7IN 30 2,324,080 1295 4180 556
KA4RRU 2,331,146 1595 3359 694
K4VVD 26 1,779,657 1452 2981 597
SO/LP/AB
DL0IU (DL2OBF) 949,160 981 1945 488
S50U 172,200 377 700 246
XE2AC 9,540 48 212 45
K1HTV 31 1,325,184 985 2436 544
WS1A 1,046,657 782 479
NY5B 674,422 931 1438 469
WA4ZXA 36 671,841 669 1503 447
KJ6HO 18 483,912 679 1222 396
NZ5O 477,500 655 382
AE6Y 341,376 675 381
VD6EL 167,686 278 196
N3BDA 13 94,864 211 154
VC3JFF 34,866 140 117
AL7PT/NK8 20,374 140 167 122
SO/UNLIMITED
S59AA 1,248,628 1023 2308 541
S56A 572,544 620 1491 384
KF8UM 1,548,976 1047 572
K3SW/4 18 642,470 617 410
K3IXD 291,264 407 296
WB4VIM 86,846 206 502 173
SINGLE BAND
80M
VC3MG 871,320 767 318
VE2JTX 84,480 227 132
40M
OI3MFP 22 100,036 254 178
VD7NTT 4,400,000 1660 546
W3GH 775,390 765 2014 385
WM2V 20 286,896 452 1112 258
KW4T 108,000 191 164
WA5JWU 12 8,320 42 208 40
20M
OI3NXW AS 19 750,000 972 466
OH3NLP LP 18 152,904 347 276
VE7NKI 1,280,000 1110 525
NI8L HP 8 614,880 670 1464 420
N4YGY LP 572,390 611 1295 442
15M
S50D 220,980 404 870 254
OI3LQK 15 32,725 157 119
S59D QRP 26,319 108 283 93
N6MU (@N6NB) 266,760 554 342
N4BP 21 156,123 409 627 249
WA7BNM LP 19 134,096 479 493 272
W5ASP 15 98,800 303 190
VE1RAA 76,867 205 139
KY2P/4 48,000 209 147
10M
WB4HFL 20 6,580 65 188 35
K2YJL/M 152 9 8
MULTI/SINGLE
VE6SV 6,033,529 2708 7349 821
VC3SK 5,970,685 2372 7417 805
KI1G (@K1NG) 5,800,000 2316 890
WE9V (@KS9K) 5,400,000 2429 923
CY2A (@VE2ZP) 5,125,335 2124 761
VD9WH 4,322,880 2012 711
VE3RM 4,283,300 1901 5908 725
CH6FI 3,886,212 2104 5988 649
KT8X 3,880,000 2024 818
NE8T (@K8CC) 3,733,248 1932 768
W5KFT 3,660,000 2500 795
K1KP 3,175,000 1695 735
II2K 2,823,156 1692 3954 714
KC7V 2,629,989 1900 3699 711
KF9PL 2,100,000 1510 680
KQ4HC 2,049,495 1400 655
K3MD 1,843,776 1102 3168 582
VE6AO 1,679,842 1330 481
KI7WX 1,536,842 1380 614
K5XI 1,500,000 1308 609
WA3WJD 660,744 656 1596 414
7J7ABC 543,312 685 343
AC5CT 401,080
W8PZS 3 550 27 22 25
MULTI/MULTI
WZ1R (@KY1H) 11,200,000 3911 1062
WT1S (@K1MNS) 10,680,000 3640 1033
WM2C (@N6RO) 8,958,978 3861 9342 959
VD6JY 7,919,121 3089 9219 859
VD5RI 3,816,919 2411 631
NE9U (@W0AIH) 2,700,000 1850 740
ROOKIE
OI6KZP (OH6KZP) 27 526,162 772 413
KG8PE 28 312,600 415 300
TS
S59A 4,597,645 2137 5441 845
OH3MMH 31 672,243 821 429
KG6LF 23 1,002,600 1338 1671 600
N1CC 14 624,400 645 1561 400
KF9YH 16 190,575 308 825 231
BR
__________________________________________________________________________
OP LIST
MULTI SINGLE
KI7WX KI7WX,N5CT,K6XO @K6XO
WA3WJD WA3WJD,AA3HA
7J7ABC 7J7ABC (AB7IT), 7J7ABV (NB9T)
KQ4HC KO4EW,KQ4HC
AC5CT AC5CT,N3BUO
NE8T NE8T,N8CXX,N8BTU,AA8UG,AA8UH,K8CC
VE3RM VE3WRL,VE3WIB,VE3RM
VC3SK VA3SK,VA3WTO
CH6FI VE6AQ,VE6LB,VE6PY,VE6NA
II2K ISKHM,I2UPG,IK2ZJJ,IK2SGF,I2GXS
VE6SV VE6SV,VE6WQ,VO1CV
MULTI MULTI
WT1S WT1S,NX1H,K1FWE
WZ1R WZ1R,NE1V,KM1P,AA1AA,KE6BER,KY1H,NJ1F,WM1K,WR2I,WA1ZAM
VD5RI VE5FD,VE5FF,VE5FN,VE5WI,VE6BBP,VE6BDP,VE6EZ,VE6SYM,VE7AV
NE9U NE9U,N9ISN,W0AIH,K0TG,N0AXL
WM2C WM2C,N6RO,K3EST,N4TQO,N6IP
VD6JY VE6JY,VE6FR,VE6SLV,VE6EX,VE6LDX,VE6DGG,VE6LCB,VE6BF,VE6NWG,
VE6JAG,VE5MX
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THESE SCORES ARE NOT OFFICIAL!!! I CANNOT ACCEPT ANY LOGS!!!!!
PLEASE SEND ALL YOUR LOGS TO THE ADDRESS IN CQ MAGAZINE!!
The address for the 3830 reflector is 3830@akorn.net!! Maybe someone can
post on here how to subscibe to it. I am not sure and do not want to put
out any bad information.
Also as I stated in my post before the contest, I cannot do attached
files. You need to send it in the form of email. Also please state your
full class on it, not just Single OP. If you do you go into the unlimited
class.
Before everyone starts flaming me about where there scores are, I would
like to explain. I received a list off 3830 from WZ1R. It only gave me
classes for people as SO. I know some should be unlimited. If you would
just drop me a note I will be glad to move them.
73's Jim
**********************************************************
* Jimmy R. Floyd (Jim) Thomasville, NC *
* *
* Amateur Call: >> WA4ZXA << *
* Packet Node: >> N4ZC << *
* Internet Address: **NEW** >> floydjr@interpath.com << *
**********************************************************
>From Herbert Anderson <andya@eskimo.com> Wed Apr 3 17:11:28 1996
From: Herbert Anderson <andya@eskimo.com> (Herbert Anderson)
Subject: A contester is born...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.960403090430.11858B-100000@eskimo.com>
Ward
Do You have any info about this summers WRTC contest. I heard that
it will be held in Cal. A team from YL is interested in participating!
Thanks, de Andy YL3GE
>From Gary Nieborsky <k7fr@ncw.net> Wed Apr 3 17:21:30 1996
From: Gary Nieborsky <k7fr@ncw.net> (Gary Nieborsky)
Subject: 3rd party stuff
Message-ID: <199604031721.JAA26899@bing.ncw.net>
Looking at the rules makes it apparent that during dx contests quite a few
of us are violating the rules when we M/M or M/S with less than Extra class
licensees at the helm....or am I missing something? The op becomes a 3rd
party when operating outside of his license class?
Hmmmmmm......guess I can wink at this one a little easier than the power issue.
73 Gary K7FR
"....there are lies, damn lies, and contest submittals" .....sorry Sam...
>From Bob Evans" <bob_evans@maca.sarnoff.com Wed Apr 3 12:16:47 1996
From: Bob Evans" <bob_evans@maca.sarnoff.com (Bob Evans)
Subject: S Units AGC & dB
Message-ID: <n1383588580.95030@maca.sarnoff.com>
S Units AGC & dB 4/2/96
Each S unit is doubling of the detected voltage. In a receiver, the meter is
driven
from the Automatic Gain Control system. This system has a detector (or
detectors)
that sample the signal level. The voltage is amplified and used to control
the gain in
stages ahead of the detector ( the RF & IF ). The voltage is also used to
drive the
meter marked S-units. Since, the relationship between this Vagc and actual
signal
levels is not simple (due mostlyto non-linearity in control voltage versus
gain),
the meter scale & amp must be calibrated. The calibration is usually accurate
at
only one or two points on its scale. Some modern receivers carefully derive
the meter drive from the Vagc by a more complex scheme such a logarithmic
amp or even a digital look-up table to offer a better approximation. The
detector,
though, is subject to signals other than just the desired. Further, the
desired is not
a steady sinusoidal waveform. The meter is mostly a useful guage to see how
the
receiver is reacting as it processes signals with its automatic gain controls.
If you can shut off the AGC system and are receiving a steady tone, you can
put an AC volt meter on the speaker. You might have to reduce the RF gain
manually
and introduce attenuation so as to be in a region of low distortion of the
audio.
Once, this is set up, a doubling of voltage is a change of one S-unit. Which
is a
four times change in power received. (This measurement assumes interference
and noise to be insignificant). A 6db change in voltage is still a 6db
change
in power. Power changes as the square of the voltage. The definition of dB
accounts for this. (doubling a log of a number relates to squaring that
number)
Watts=(Vrms*Vrms)/ohms
dB=10*log(ratio of powers) dB=2*10*log(ratio of voltages)
dB is a dimensionless variable since it is just a log of a ratio of two
numbers
of the same dimension.
The main reason dB is used is because it is mentally easier to add numbers
than to
multiply. Adding logs of numbers relates to multiplying them. When
stages
of gain are cacaded, for example, one simply adds their power gains in
dB to
determine total gain.
If "dB" is followed by other letters then a reference is being made.
"dBm is a power measurement referenced to milliwatts.
30dBm=10log(1/.001)=1Watt
"dBm" is not dimensionless
TTFN.
>From Ward Silver <hwardsil@wolfenet.com> Wed Apr 3 17:27:26 1996
From: Ward Silver <hwardsil@wolfenet.com> (Ward Silver)
Subject: A contester is born...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960403092003.1247D-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com>
On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 JGellerRVZ@aol.com wrote:
> If there were no personal messages relayed on behalf of a "third party," how
> the devil do the third party agreements, or lack thereof, come into play in
> this situation???
>
> 73, Jeff N6RVZ
>
The personal message relayed by the unlicensed operator is "59 1234" and
it does not matter a whit if it's on the station owner's behalf. Let me
be clear - an unlicensed person, using an amateur station, is conducting
third-party traffic. Call the FCC or ARRL if you need confirmation.
Similarly, the station owner relaying messages for any other person
(licensed or not) is conducting third-party traffic. Unless a
third-party agreement is in place, contacts are limited to those between
licensed individuals and unlicensed individuals may not participate in
that contact in any way. That is a strict interpretation of the rule.
As Derek AA5BT has pointed out, minor transgressions occur daily and the
international order has not collapsed. However, we all need to clearly
understand what is involved in Part 97. In emergency situations, of
course, the rule is generally regarded to be temporarily suspended.
73, Ward N0AX
>From Rich L. Boyd" <rlboyd@CapAccess.org Wed Apr 3 17:32:42 1996
From: Rich L. Boyd" <rlboyd@CapAccess.org (Rich L. Boyd)
Subject: power and big sigs
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91-FP.960403122813.24558C-100000@cap1.capaccess.org>
Sorry, I'm still reading the QRO contesting msgs -- got a little behind.
I've heard stories of W3LPL being harassed by Eu stns who insist he must
be running illegally high power, because there was no other way his
signal could be so strong. hihi. He has quite good antennas, 2-el quad
on 80 for instance, top about 170'.
Sometimes propagation is somewhat one-way, like when we heard Europe
coming into W3 at 1 or 2 PM on 40, and a little later on 80 and hear them
for as much as several hours before they can hear us. I've seen computer
propagation models that explain this, ionosphere tilting and such.
In W3LPL's case, as most know, he's still using homebrew (single) 3-1000
amps. We noticed that driven by an OMNI-VI on 40 (we didn't tweak the
amp to try to reach the legal limit that way) we were only getting 1KW
out. It took the FT-1000, with more drive, to reach the legal limit, at
least without retuning the amp -- don't know if that would have helped --
we never touched the amp tuning all weekend. Obviously no problem, the
Omni was the mult radio and we got everyone we called with it anyway.
The point is his amps do the legal limit but no more.
I think it's easy for the many cynics among us to assume everyone uses
illegal power, but it's just not the case. There are many other
explanations for why some signals are louder than others at various
times, and that's part of what makes contesting interesting.
Rich Boyd KE3Q
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