Jim, did you test using the Mag transformer with the larger AC wiring? Did
you test using the Dahl transformer using the smaller AC wiring?
In other words, how much of the problem is caused by the 12 ga wiring?
Has anyone determined that a 22 ohm resistance in series with the secondary
is enough to actually take care of the turn on surge? I ask this because
many I have measured some of the Dahl secondary windings at about 25 ohms.
Adding another 22 ohms only reduces the charging current by about half. In
my experience, the charging current needs to be much lower than that.
You mention pri magnetizing current: I am not familiar with that term and
am guessing there is a 1.9 A current flow in the primary with no load on the
secondary. If so, there is about 450 watts of loss just sitting there.
Seems the transformer would get pretty warm when this happens. Am I
understanding this correctly?
I went through a voltage drop witch hunt in my shack a few years back and
also found that 12 ga wiring for the power amplifiers is entirely
inadequate. I ran a temporary length of 4/0 three conductor cable from the
breaker
panel to the amplifier area and that blasted cable is still there and in the
way! I just have to get it out of there one of these days.
73,
Gerald K5GW
n a message dated 2/10/2010 7:24:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Jim.thom@telus.net writes:
I just ran a bunch of numbers on PSU designer and got quite different
numbers than yours. I suspect it is because of the way measurements are
being made. That is if I am doing things right here!
Notice that with the 10 MFd filter and 22 ohm series resistor the Vo
Drops 387 (multiplied by 100) volts from 267 ma load to 1.64 amp load.
With a 100 MFD capacitor that voltage drop is only 149 volts.
With no series resistor and a 10 MFD filter the voltage swing is 377
volts. Only 10 volts better than with the 22 ohm resistor.
But with the 100 MFD filter the voltage swing from 272 ma to 1.82 amps
is only 59 volts without the 22 ohm resistor. This is about 100 volts
better regulation than with the 22 ohm resistor.
Should we not worry so much about low resistance windings on our
transformers?
### Low resistance winding's on a plate xfmr are everything imo.
A buddy just went through grief, using a NEW 46 lb mag cap xfmr
for a 6m gs35b 6m amp. V regulation was terrible. Sure, there
was a 6 v drop on the long 12 ga 240 line... but that same line
power's his alpha too. [ not at the same time of course]. 700 v drop
on the single tube 6m amp.
## The mag cap was changed out with a huge dahl xfmr,
complete with 2 ga wire back to main panel and a string of
2500 uf new HV lytics. NOW, the V regulation is superb.
Less than 150 v.
## I call the B+ voltage you get, when drawing ZSAC, the real
NO load B+... not when on RX. Amp has to idle 1st... b4
drive can be applied. [assuming NO EBS] OK, hit the PTT, and
either pulse tune..or talk on ssb. B+ barely moves. PEP out
of the amp is WAY up.
### Installing the 20-25 ohm resistor between FWB and B+ caps
would have one good application though.... for step start. In that case,
you don't have the problem of PRI magnetizing current flowing through
the normal ..'resistor in one leg of 240 line' conventional step start.
## the mag current on some of my 4800 vac pole pigs is 1.9A
IE: you can never fully charge the B+ caps up to almost full. I end up
with one helluva big sec surge, when resistor in 240 line is shorted. The
fix for now, was to reduce it's value. [25 ohms..down to 10 ohms]
## Now, installing the 25 ohm resistor, between FWB and B+ caps..
this would be great for step start...THEN, short it out with a VAC
relay !! Caps will charge right up to max B+
### Then, with vac relay present, it's a snap to toggle between..."22
ohm resistor in line.. or OUT of line" I haven't tried the vac relay part
..yet.... but did install a 25 ohm, 225 watt, WW between FWB..and
B+ caps.... and V regulation goes to hell..fast. The bigger the load,
the worse it gets. Which is exactly what PSUD predicts.
## The test is repeatable. Try it yourself [with a big load... like
either key down 1.5 kw out cxr... OR... just plane SSB.] It's lousy
either mode..with that 25 ohm resistor installed.
later.... Jim VE7RF
Hope all the columns line up.
73
Gary K4FMX
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