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Re: [Amps] HV transformer issue

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Subject: Re: [Amps] HV transformer issue
From: "David H Craig" <n3db@radix.net>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:31:12 -0400
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I assumed not since it was built as it is, but that said a dead SB220 HV 
transformer I pulled apart did indeed have insulated bolts.  Should I try 
doing so, maybe with a teflon tube as opposed to paper?

    73 Dave


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Subject: Re: [Amps] HV transformer issue


>
> Are these through bolts supposed to be insulated?
>
> 73/gw
>
>
> In a message dated 5/3/2008 7:20:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> n3db@radix.net writes:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am seeking input on a potential  problem with my "almost new" B+
> transformer.  It is a 240V input, output  4 taps from 2800-3000V rated 2 
> amp full load.
> Transformer was tested in  situ today, first stand-alone.  Has a slight 
> hum
> but not significant, and  as mounted no detectable vibration on the
> laminations.  AC output tested  fine on all taps.  Second test was with 
> full wave bridge
> feeding a 12 x  800MF (series) homebrew cap bank attached- expected DC 
> Voltage
> measured fine  on the cap bank.  3rd test was with 100k ohm 250w R across 
> the
> cap bank  from B+ to B-, ~100 volt drop.
> Now the  "problem":  The transformer is a typical E I Core (roughly 
> 9"x7"x7")
> with  primary taps on one side fed to binding strip & secondary on the 
> other
> side to an EU style strip opposite the mains. Core is held together with 4
> pieces of allthread, nuts on each side, around 1/4" in diameter. 
> Transformer
> is not potted.  With mains fed to the transformer & even  with cap bank
> removed from the secondary side, the 4 allthread "bolts" get  hot. Not a 
> "little
> hot" but "blister your finger hot" with just a minute or 2  of mains 
> voltage
> applied.  I understand this was new when I bought it-  that said, I can 
> smell some
> heating varnish, apparently from the bolts.   The laminations themselves 
> stay
> completely cool, but granted it is so massive  (84lbs) that it would take 
> a
> good long while for it to heat up. I am not sure  but the allthread 
> appears to
> be standard steel.  I have never run into  this strange effect before- 
> this
> can't be normal, can it?  I am guessing  this is hysteresis, magnet
> ostriction and heavy eddy currents in the bolts-  does this sound 
> plausible?
> What is going on here?
> Because they are getting so hot after just a short time under power I am
> concerned about using the transformer in the amp (GS35b 50 MHz in 
> mid-build).
> It has been suggested that I pull one of the allthreads and  check for 
> hotspots
> on it, which I plan to try.  If they are steel would  it pay to replace 
> them
> with non-magnetic stainless bolts & get rid of the  allthread completely?
> Also, in its current configuration I cannot tell  whether the bolts are 
> actually
> a proper fit for the holes in the E I plates-  it appears that it may be
> slightly undersized, and of course they are threaded  the whole way, ans 
> therefore
> may not be effectively transferring heat to the  laminations.
> Any input would be most  appreciated.
>
> 73 Dave  N3DB
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