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Re: [Amps] Grid Dipping the Pi network in a new amp? --- (Itnow Function

To: <rbonner@qro.com>, "'Chuck Curran'" <ccurran@wi.rr.com>,<amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Grid Dipping the Pi network in a new amp? --- (Itnow Functions)
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:07:39 -0400
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
> Good testing Chuck.  You confirmed what I had said earlier 
> this week.  The
> maximum plate load impedance for the 852 is around 
> 1400-1500 Ohms and
> responds best down in the 1000 range.

Bob,

After just having dinner with my wife and here sister, I'm 
probably a little too sensitive about drama. A helicopter 
lands down the street, and the drama queens say it landed in 
the front yard. A two inch Pine Vole comes up and eats an 
apple, and I have to cut the whole tree down because it 
attracts giant rats.


It's the same with tank circuits. People write as if there 
is some mystical magical point where the tank quits working 
on the hi-Q side of minimum Q. People are fixated on that 
exaggeration.

Let's look at the real numbers in tank with a Q of 12 at 
1500 ohms with typical vacuum caps and a B&W coil and see 
how much is fact and how much is drama:

3.75MHz
Anode loadline 1500  j0
Anode RF Power 1500W
Anode required C 330.2 pF
L 6.45uH
Load C 1632pF
Loss 2.8%
Phase delay 147.5 degrees
Effective Q 12.0
Inductor current 11.6 amperes
3dB bandwidth (without retuning) .31 MHz

Now let's increase the anode loadline to 3000 ohms and see 
if the tank "stops working"

3.75MHz
Anode loadline 3000  j0
Anode RF Power 1500W
Anode required C 320.2 pF
L 6.45uH
Load C 2400pF
Loss 5.3%
Phase delay 158.5 degrees
Effective Q 23.8
Inductor current 15.8 amperes
3dB bandwidth (without retuning) .16 MHz

It doesn't "quit working". The anode capacitor doesn't 
change, the loading capacitor increases to about 1.4 times 
the original value, the loss increases from ~3 to ~5 
percent, the bandwidth (selectivity) doubles.

Now let's look at the same component quality and a 3000 ohm 
tank at an effective Q of 12.

3.75MHz
Anode loadline 3000  j0
Anode RF Power 1500W
Anode required C 166.5 pF
L 12.1 uH
Load C 992pF
Loss 2.7%
Phase delay 134.3 degrees
Effective Q 12
Inductor current 8.2 amperes
3dB bandwidth (without retuning) .31 MHz

For all the popular drama that "without a Q of 12 the amp 
will stop working", the overall efficiency of the amp might 
change from 65 to 63 %.

The REAL major effects we would notice are only in the value 
of the capacitors required. It doesn't stop working. It 
isn't "only good for 1500 ohms".

If I had an amp as nice looking as the one Chuck built, I'd 
just increase the size of the loading cap and ignore the 2 % 
change in overall efficiency. The loading and tuning caps 
should have at least 50% capacitance headroom anyway in case 
the load isn't perfect.

73 Tom 


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