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Re: [Amps] grid fuses

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Subject: Re: [Amps] grid fuses
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:25:01 -0400
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> Roy,
> You got it! Most of the old sweep tube amps used a form of 
> grid leak bias.
> Best,
> Will
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> On 7/22/06 at 10:50 AM Roy Koeppe wrote:
>>"...If it's open, the most it might do would be to attract 
>>a few
>>electrons being negative like was mentioned...(etc.)"
>>In the old days this was called 'contact bias,' and was 
>>the principle
>>incorporated intentionally in a grid-leak biased stage.
>73,    Roy   K6XK

Actually both of you are mixing applications and very 
different systems. Contact bias or space charge biasing is 
NOT the same as grid leak biasing.

Grid leak biasing is dependent on grid current to establish 
bias. A common application is oscillators where we might 
want zero bias at start and automatically adjusted bias that 
increases with oscillator output. This type of bias works by 
grid current from a positive going grid with respect to 
cathode placing the grid/cathode path into conduction!

Space charge bias, which is more commonly called contact 
potential bias, depends on the control grid having no 
leakage to the anode (no gas and low anode voltage) and no 
grid emission (cold grid) to allow a very small amount of 
charge buildup from the space charge around the cathode to 
develop self-bias. From "Electronic Communication" page 
13.15

" This type of bias is useful with high-u tube operated with 
very small input-signal levels only. The diagram resembles 
grid-leak biasing used in oscillator and RF amplifiers, but 
the theory of operation is not the same."  It goes on to 
warn inexperienced designers NOT to use this type of bias 
unless they are experienced since there are few applications 
where it is useful. It is useful with small tubes in very 
low level stages with low bias requirements, primarily where 
AC from a heater might modulate the cathode.

The stuff Will remembers from cheap ratty poorly designed CB 
amplifiers is NOT contact potential bias, but rather bias 
developed when a grid is driven positive with respect to the 
cathode during part of an RF cycle in an amount that exceeds 
any negative bias. Don't hang your hats on that as something 
justify gross misstatements that the grid in a large power 
grid tube will go negative when floated! I especially 
wouldn't point to grid current biased sweep tube amplifiers 
as panicles of good communications system engineering.

73 Tom 


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