Hi All, just based on the dc voltages produced, not accounting for IR
losses, core losses,etc:
3000vdc .5A is 1500 watts delivered to the load. A choke filter typically
delivers .9 times rms secondary voltage. Turning this around, the transformer
would then have about 3000/.9 volts or 3333v rms. A Capacitor type filter is
expected to deliver 1.414 times rms or 4713vdc (no load). Assuming a voltage
drop of 500v, this leaves 4213vdc. Back to the same 1500w, this means a
current of 1500/4213 = .315 A. This is a ratio of 1.59 which is pretty close
to the
stated derate factor.
There will be some extra heating due to higher IR losses in the copper wire
caused by the much higher peak currents in the filter C. After the microwave
oven discussion yesterday, it seems there might be some core heating (losses)
as well due to these same high peak currents.
Just another way to look at the question.
73/k5gw
In a message dated 3/21/2006 6:54:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
craxd1@verizon.net writes:
John,
It's according to what type of rectifier circuit you'd use with the
capacitor. For a full wave bridge and capacitor input, the secondary current
is from
1.6 to 1.8 times the DC current. That variance I don't know for sure where
both came from as some formulas I've seen use either. It has a lot to do with
the size of capacitor of course. Hammond has a downloadable pdf with these
formulas in it, and I'm pretty sure they use 1.6. Ohter transformer
manufacturers though I've seen use 1.8.
The one you found, didn't the primary have it where you could change the
voltage? Most always had this because there are some places using 220/240 VAC.
Best,
Will
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On 3/21/06 at 5:39 PM John T. M. Lyles wrote:
>Before I start searching for 3 KVA pole pigs I will ask here. I have
>a UTC LS-184, a beautiful transformer from the 1950s, weighs 102 lbs.
>It is 7 kV RMS CT. With a choke input, it would do a 3 kV DC 500 mA
>supply all day long, according to UTC. I need ~ 4 kV at 0.6 - 0.8
>Amps. If I ran it into a capacitor only, and it charged up to near
>peak, it should do the voltage fine. However, I am not certain how
>much current derating it would need for running into a Capacitive
>load.
>
>Does anyone have a single phase plate transformer, which has 220/240
>primary and good for ~4 kV DC @ 0.6-0.8 Amps? I would prefer to us a
>full wave bridge but two diodes and a center tapped pig would work
>too. I just found a 4.1 kV @ 2 Amp today at a junk yard in town, but
>it has 480 VAC primary, and is LARGE. I have several pieces for 3 kV
>DC supplies, but nothing for a higher voltage tube. Numerous
>broadcast transmitters and RF industrial generators used such power
>in the good old days.
>
>There were some very nice 3 kVA 4160VAC/220 dry distribution
>transformers made by Westinghouse years back, before ABB bought them,
>and they outsourced to China. Into a choke, they would be fine. I am
>not planning on using this for SSB.
>
>Thank you.
>73
>John
>K5PRO
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