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Re: [Amps] measuring rf colis

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Subject: Re: [Amps] measuring rf colis
From: "Will Matney" <craxd1@verizon.net>
Reply-to: craxd1@verizon.net
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:42:58 -0500
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Conrad,

I spoke to the designer of this LCR meter a while back about converting the kit 
to a bench meter and decided against it. The reason for me was that the 
components needed to be mounted as close to the test terminals as possible and 
it didn't use the shielded lead method. However, for a handheld LCR meter, he 
did a very good job and it's better than the B&K handhelds that were made in 
accuracy.

I have three LCR meters here I use, a Leader LCR-740 analog type, a GenRad 
Digi-bridge 1657, and an ESI 251. The Leader is OK, but needs the components 
right at the terminals to be measured correctly. The GenRad is almost like it 
as it doesn't have the shilded leads per say, and you use clamp terminals on 
top of the meter. They do make a set of leads which plug into the terminal 
strip something similar to the digital Heathkit LCR meter. The ESI uses Bananna 
jacks but come into a shielded lead steup (Like some HP). I have actually had a 
low inductance tank coil in my hand while measuring it and squeezing the coil 
to change its inductance while watching on the ESI 251. It stays the same 
whether I was handling it or not which surprised the dickens out of me. I did a 
bunch of research on these when I started building up for a transformer and 
coil shop.

Anyhow for the price, if I wanted to measure a few coils or caps here and 
there, the one you mention is a decent meter and there is some imports which 
aren't too shabby. Below is some links on eBay for a few.

Leader LCR -740;

http://cgi.ebay.com/LEADER-LCR-740-Inductance-Capacitance-Impedence-Bridge_W0QQitemZ7583877861QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

L/C Meter IIB Unbuilt kit (one in mention);

http://cgi.ebay.com/Inductance-Capacitance-meter-L-C-Meter-IIB-Unbuilt-kit_W0QQitemZ7584423880QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

BK Precision 875A;

http://cgi.ebay.com/BK-Precision-875A-LCR-meter_W0QQitemZ7584290546QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

DIGITAL LCR;

http://cgi.ebay.com/DIGITAL-LCR-METER-MULTIMETER-TEMPERATURE-NEW_W0QQitemZ7583602075QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

LCR Meter,Capacitance/Inductance, AC/DC V/A/R/Hz/T, NIB; (My favorite)

http://cgi.ebay.com/LCR-Meter-Capacitance-Inductance-AC-DC-V-A-R-Hz-T-NIB_W0QQitemZ7583295805QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

GenRad 1656;

http://cgi.ebay.com/GR-1656-Impedance-Bridge_W0QQitemZ7582746915QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

ESI 250DE;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ESI-250DE-LCR-Bridge-Impedance-Capacitance-Inductance_W0QQitemZ7584146904QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 ZM11/U Military;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZM11-U-CAPACITANCE-INDUCTANCE-RESISTANCE-BRIDGE-VINTAGE_W0QQitemZ7584725342QQcategoryZ25421QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Best,

Will



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On 1/25/06 at 2:15 AM Conrad_G0RUZ wrote:

>Don't MFJ recommend putting a known value capacitor in parallel with the
>coil and measuring the resonance? Then as you know the capacitors value ±
>5%
>and the MFJ frequency ± 5% you should be able to calculate the approximate
>inductance of the coil for large inductors at lower frequencies at least.
>Forget it in the VHF region though, stray C between turns become very
>significant. I use an AADE LC Meter II and I am delighted with it, it comes
>up with very accurate results on some lab standard inductors that we have
>at
>University. Here is a link
>http://www.aade.com/lcmeter.htm
>
>73
>
>Conrad G0RUZ
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com 
>> [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Will Matney
>> Sent: 25 January 2006 01:47
>> To: amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] measuring rf colis
>> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> Most stock chokes are measured at frequencies around 1 and 10 
>> kHz using a precision LCR (bridge) meter. I have both the 
>> analog and digital bridges here and use both. There are some 
>> LCR meters by HP and a few others which can measure up to 10 
>> MHz. Most all stock coils though like Ohmite are measured at 
>> around 1 to 10 kHz. The three top manufacturers of LCR meters 
>> is HP, ESI, and GenRad.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Will
>> 
>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>> 
>> On 1/24/06 at 7:51 PM Partain, Chuck wrote:
>> 
>> >probably touched upon 10k times but..
>> > 
>> >Using my MFJ-259b, measuring some rf coils I have here, sweep the 
>> >frequency...
>> >all coils I have, move all over the place. Is there a standard 
>> >frequency these are rated at?
>> > 
>> >say a coil is advertised at 10uh. at what frequency? I can 
>> pretty much 
>> >determine the current by the size of the wire...??
>> > 
>> >chuck
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