John,
You can now look-up CDE's specs on line. They've started to put PDFs on
their web site, and it looks like more to come. There's a pretty good
guide to aluminum electrolytics there too. Click around to find everything.
www.cornell-dubilier.com
And the test protocol you cited below for leakage current appears to be a
"standard" used by the industry. Its yhe same one mentioned by Phillips
and Mallory.
Phil
At 08:00 PM 3/6/99 +0200, you wrote:
>
>HI Rich - from Nichicon catalog for the GQ series, the leakage current for
a 470uF @ 450V
>should be less than 1380uA to remain in spec. Probably a worst case but
over 1mA still
>seems a bit high. And leakage current is temperature dependent increasing
as temperature
>goes up. For comparison the 85C series (LQ etc) have the same leakage
current specs.
>BTW the spec is for a capacitor having the rated voltage applied for 5
mins, measurement
>is taken after the 5 mins. How does this compare with the CDE parts? We
see very little
>US component data here, mostly Japanese and European, would be interesting
to compare the
>various manufacturers.
>
>John ZS5JF
>
>
>
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>> From: Rich Measures <measures@vc.net>
>> To: km1h@juno.com; amps@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [AMPS] Ripple current ratings of high voltage caps.
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>> Date: 06 March 1999 01:31
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>>Hope this of some interest as I feel that spending $$ un-necessarily on
>> >>>105C rated capacitors to end up with less ripple current capabilty is a
>> >>pointless fact.
>> >>>
>> >>Ä However, comparing a ripple-current rating for 105 deg C with a
>> >>ripple current rating for 85 degrees C is hardly valid. My guess is
that
>> >>105 deg C capacitors are going to last longer in a typical anode
supply.
>> >>
>> >>- later, John
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Rich...
>> >
>> >I have to agree with Rich on this one !
>> >
>> >I can not speak for Nichicon but the life and derating curves for the CDE
>> >380 85c and 381 105c series show a much longer expected life span when
>> >both are run at 85c. Even at 45c the 105 c cap has a significant edge.
>> >
>> >Further, at equivalent 85c temperatures, the ripple ratings are almost
>> identical.
>> >
>> >IMO, in an anode supply of an amp in the 1200W or higher category the
>> >105c cap will make both life and economical sense.
>> >
>> ? amen, Carl. I have replaced plenty of 85 deg C rated electrolytics.
>> I have replaced no 105 deg C rated electrolytics.
>>
>> >Personally, I would not want to use the ALL Electronics specials in
>> >anything much above a SB-200 size amp without running temp and leakage
>> >tests.
>> >
>> ? Agreed. Anything over 250uA of leakage at the rated V is suspect.
>> Also, capacitors that are slow to reform are showing signs of aging.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rich...
>>
>> R. L. Measures, 805-386-3734, AG6K, www.vcnet.com/measures
>>
>>
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