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Re: [TowerTalk] Canada geese

To: Bill <bmarx@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Canada geese
From: Paul Plants <plplants@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:09:04 +0000
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A local church had a problem with pigeons. After the roof was replaced the 
roofers put several large owls. On the peak of the roof after about a month the 
pigeons were seating on top of the owls.

Paul
W3PLP
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> On Feb 17, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Bill <bmarx@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> Try the plastic snakes on your boom too, to scare birds. It works...
> 
> Ill take temporary relief over nothing at all.
> Bill
> 
> 
>> On 2/17/2018 1:21 PM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
>> 
>> Bill, The boating community often recommends plastic snakes to keep birds 
>> from roosting and pooping all over your boat.  With over 30 years of boating 
>> experience in the San Diego California region I witnessed lots of folks 
>> using plastic snakes.  You can tell the new guys at the yacht club by their  
>> new plastic snakes.  Over time the birds get used to the snakes and totally 
>> ignore them.
>> 
>>  I know of no long term success with plastic snakes.  Experienced boaters I 
>> have known agreed that collectively we had never seen a long term success 
>> using plastic snakes.   Phony owls are also touted but they too lose 
>> effectiveness fairly rapidly.  I've seen birds perched on the owls head 
>> pooping on it.
>> 
>> Geese and other birds have hearing that extends higher in freq than normal 
>> humans.  I say normal because in my mid 20's my left ear went to 21,500 Hz 
>> and my right ear went to about 20,500 Hz.  I could hear bats feeding, 
>> ultrasonic alarms, etc. Now I wear $6000 hearing aids from the VA thanks to 
>> small arms fire and other loud noises.
>> 
>> Something that works and doesn't lose efficacy from birds getting used to it 
>> is ultrasonics used intermittently more or less randomly unless used with IR 
>> motion detector or other detection apparatus.  I have used ultrasonics very 
>> successfully to keep away various pests including birds.  Places with large 
>> flocks of geese have nice lawns "goose greased" so badly you can't walk 
>> through without getting your shoes messed up. I have recommended ultrasonics 
>> to lakefront home owners who had great success with repelling their Canada 
>> geese.  The geese soon learned to avoid that lawn and stay on his neighbors 
>> lawns farther from the transducers.  Word spread and some of his neighbors 
>> went ultrasound also with great success.  Only a few houses stayed 
>> unprotected, a couple were only used a week or two a year, did not add 
>> ultrasound (that I am aware of) but were partially protected by neighbors 
>> with ultrasound.
>> 
>> Geese have pretty good ultrasonic hearing.  To them bursts of high levels of 
>> ultrasound is what having a steam whistle go off in our ear is like. Some 
>> ultrasound pest repellent gear has selectable freq bands so you can avoid 
>> bugging cats and dogs or include cats and dogs and they will avoid the area 
>> too.
>> 
>> Decades back the lab where I worked had an oceanographic tower anchored to 
>> the bottom of the ocean just off the coast from San Diego.  Seagulls used it 
>> for a big bird perch and pooped all over everything on it.  Seagulls were 
>> captured and "lightly tortured" within limits of animal cruelty 
>> organizations and their distress cries were recorded.  These were played 
>> back at random intervals and worked pretty good but over time lost 
>> effectiveness.  You don't get used to pain from powerful ultrasound, it 
>> always hurts if you can hear it.
>> 
>> Patrick        NJ5G
>> 
>>> On 2/16/2018 5:03 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Try some plastic snakes....
>>> Bill W2CQ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/15/2018 9:42 PM, Patrick Greenlee wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Since this not
>>>>>> where squirrels are out, and the ground hogs appear to still be 
>>>>>> hibernating I think the
>>>>>> culprit is a goose.  The coax looks more like it is pulled apart than 
>>>>>> cut.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone had a similar occurrence?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> Around here (south central Oklahoma) the gophers are bad about chewing up 
>>>> direct burial cables. Need to use conduit.  They don't seem to chew up PVC 
>>>> pipe/conduit. A notable exception is the direct bury phone lines with 
>>>> which I have never had a problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Many folks don't appreciate the gooses bite.  They can bite quite hard and 
>>>> have a raspy insides to their mouths.  They bite down hard and then twist 
>>>> their heads.  Pretty vicious.
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick
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