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Re: Topband: VU2GSM webSDR use

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Subject: Re: Topband: VU2GSM webSDR use
From: Bill Cromwell <wrcromwell@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:17:10 -0500
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Hi,

There are more than moral or ethical issues using WebSDR. The logs I expect to submit (eventually) are for receive-only activity. I see problems netting with signals coming through the WebSDR station. Not insurmountable but not trivial either. The real deal for me and a question...how do you implement full qsk using WebSDR? What about "dual receive" operation? Listening on your own TX frequency and the DX's TX frequency?

73,

Bill  KU8H

On 01/14/2018 03:18 PM, kostas sv1dpi wrote:
Unfortunately webSDR are widely used from many hams around the world. I
wonder why webSDR owners don't add 5 seconds delay to their software.
This way we will have just all the goodies without problems. So some of
us want and encourage this one.

There are also people who use (hiring or not) remote stations in another
country while they sign from the home country. While I was in Iran as
EP6T I heard some USA stations calling me with stronger signals than
Europeans in time where the USA path was closed. Sorry I don't remember
calls. I am sure that Europeans do this much more with Pacific
DXpeditions as I consider that USA hams are honest. This way I remember
some calls but I can not mention them as I can not prove it.

Many use webSDR in contests also. In last year's 160m cw contest, a
station near me started calling in the same freq with me. He was 9+60 to
me. Except the fact that he was not using legal power, he couldn't
listen me while I was trying to say QSY! After some CQs he was working a
Japanese pileup. I could not hear the most of them even I had a 600ft
beverage to JA! The worst I couldn't bother him even I continued to call
CQ for about 10min! He was using a webSDR for sure. Some of my friends
in Japan thought that their systems work well that night as they were
heard to Europe but probably it was not the true.

The worst of all is that nobody seems to care about all these. ARRL
likes the fact that more stations will submit his 80 and 160m slot and
they will get some more cents. Most of the hams like that they worked a
new one and don't care how the other one listen them or how they listen
him. A friend of mine used webSDR for listening and when I told him why
he does it, he answered that he has noise and if the signal goes from SV
to USA, comes from USA to SV as well. He can not listen him because the
big noise!

The main problem is what Steve mentioned: ok I don't use webSDR myself
as I don't approve them but how I know what the other station does. And
after some points of view where some of us find it more or less normal,
I wonder which is better: to abandon the ham radio hobby or to hire my
station for remote use?

73 Kostas SV1DPI
22 years in ham radio


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