IMHO word of caution:
LB Cebik was a great modeler, has done lot of work modeling various antennas,
configurations etc but have not built most of his models in real life with real
wires and tubing.
Granted, modeling programs are getting better and better, are a great tool
especially for comparing some designs, but still do not 100% capture real life
variables and one has to be cautious in trusting the modeling results as a
gospel.
Recent posts about ground, radials, counterpoise are one of the areas of
possible discrepancies.
Just like with the loading coils "controversy", the "ground thing" is a bit
muddied up.
Yuri, K3BU.us
www.MVmanor.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Blaine
Date: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
To: Julius Fazekas , W2PM
Cc: "Mike(W5UC)" , Guy Olinger K2AV , topband@contesting.com
> Cebik was one of the antenna greats. Co author of the ARRL
> antenna handbook for some time. And a lot of his work is
> preserved with
> free access (you need to create a login though) on the cebik.com
> web site.
>
> If you are serious about antennas, this is a great site.
>
> 73, Jeff ACØC
> www.ac0c.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julius Fazekas
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:45 AM
> To: W2PM
> Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV ; topband@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
>
> L. B. Cebik, W4RNL ~ 1939 - 2008 ~ SK as of April 2008
>
> Julius Fazekas
> N2WN
>
>
> Tennessee Contest Group
> http://k4tcg.org/
> http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en
>
>
> Tennessee QSO Party
> http://www.tnqp.org/
>
>
> Elecraft K2 #4455
> Elecraft K3/100 #366
> Elecraft K3/100 #
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: W2PM
> To: Julius Fazekas
> Cc: Mike(W5UC) ; Guy Olinger K2AV
> ; "topband@contesting.com"
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
>
> Who is LB??
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:33, Julius Fazekas wrote:
>
> > I attended a presentation LB gave to the ETDXA shortly before
> hi untimely death. I found him engaging and informative. He was
> well
> > thought of in East Tennessee.
> >
> >
> > I have to say that when I became active again in 2003, I found
> his website invaluable as a antenna resource. Some of the
> language
> > was repetitive, but the antennas built based on the articles
> were quite effective. My 40m half square immediately comes to
> mind.
> > "Verticals without Vertigo" is still a favorite of mine.
> >
> > He did do antenna building/testing, but usually wire antennas
> and he enjoyed PVC builds. Think it was more space limitations
> than
> > health issues. He was a great advocate of modelling. That, of
> course, is still contentious to some schools of thought.
> >
> > As to gruff replies, ambiguous writings, dubious analysis, and
> such, I know I've been guilty of that and experienced it from
> > others. With some, we managed to get over the hump and find
> common ground, with others it hasn't happened yet.
> >
> >
> > I, for one, am thankful that folks like LB, Rudy, Jim, Tom and
> others share and post useful information. They have helped me
> more
> > than hindered...
> >
> > Happy Thanksgiving to all and see you on the Top Band this
> weekend in CQ WW DX!
> >
> > 73,
> > Julius
> >
> >
> >
> > Julius Fazekas
> > N2WN
> >
> >
> > Tennessee Contest Group
> > http://k4tcg.org/
> > http://groups.google.com/group/tcg1?hl=en
> >
> >
> > Tennessee QSO Party
> > http://www.tnqp.org/
> >
> >
> > Elecraft K2 #4455
> > Elecraft K3/100 #366
> > Elecraft K3/100 #
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Guy Olinger K2AV
> > To: Mike(W5UC)
> > Cc: topband@contesting.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Topband: Counterpoise very interresting
> >
> > I found LB to be a little enigmatic. But so what?
> >
> > His forte' was modelling. He had all the professional
> licenses and
> > did commercial modeling for some number of customers,
> including a lot
> > of unheralded primary work for the well-regarded Force 12
> antennas. He
> > did not do a lot of on-field verification himself, which would
> explain> why some fairly suspect material remains. I'm fairly
> sure he did not
> > have the health for the hard outdoor work that validation requires,
> > though he never complained. But all in all, I'm certainly
> better off
> > for him than without him. RIP, and let detractors look to
> their own
> > assumptions closets. I'm completely sure LB has far fewer
> detractors> than I do. I have a series of posts with him about
> the Wouff Houng
> > which I treasure.
> >
> > 73, Guy.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mike(W5UC)
> wrote:
> >> On 11/22/2011 9:29 AM, DAVID CUTHBERT wrote:
> >>> L.B. was a professor of Philosophy and not a degreed engineer.
> >>>
> >>> Dave WX7G
> >>> On Nov 22, 2011 8:08 AM, "ZR" wrote:
> >>>
> >> I got into it with L. B. several years ago. He published
> something((I>> don't remember what) that was quite ambiguous,
> and I dropped him an
> >> e-mail asking him to be more specific. He replied by
> accusing me of
> >> being demanding. I found another source to reference in
> solving my
> >> problem and moved on.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Mike, W5UC
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