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Re: [CQ-Contest] Proposed rule changes

To: "'Jeff Stai'" <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Proposed rule changes
From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73@gmail.com>
Reply-to: wc1m73@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 17:01:06 -0400
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No, look at the revised draft again. The phrase “of confirming QSOs” has been 
stricken in the new version. It now reads just “other methods”. This wording 
prevents any editing whatsoever after the QSO has ended (and the “end” hasn’t 
been defined, either!) You can’t correct typos at any time after the end of the 
QSO, either during or after the contest.

 

I would suggest that even the wording “other methods of confirming QSOs” is too 
vague. SCP is another method. Using your memory to confirm a callsign is 
another method (e.g., I read the NG3K list before the contest and use my recall 
of that to correct a callsign.) Because of this, it’s not clear to me whether 
the previous wording, which was targeted at editing after the contest, was 
intended to prohibit correcting typos (so long as the log matched what was sent 
and received, of course.) Some have argued that any correction to the log after 
the contest constitutes an extension of operating time, and therefore should 
not be allowed.

 

Personally, I believe if you combine these elements, you get the right rules:

 

1.       What is logged must match what is sent and received

2.       Unassisted operators cannot use sources of information prohibited for 
that category to correct log entries

3.       Absolutely no editing of the log after the contest is over or the 
claimed number of operating hours has been reached

 

73, Dick WC1M

 

From: Jeff Stai [mailto:wk6i.jeff@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 4:33 PM
To: wc1m73@gmail.com
Cc: Dennis McAlpine; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Proposed rule changes

 

No, I'm sorry. It says "other methods of confirming QSOs" NOT "other methods". 
Here:

 

1. I type in everything and hit enter

2. One nanosecond later I notice something is wrong.

3. I do what I need to do to transmit a correction if necessary (not always 
necessary), to meet the log what you transmit rule.

4. Because I am in a run, and messing with the editing in my logger takes me 
away from the run, I scribble the correction on a notepad I keep for the 
purpose.

5. After the contest I edit in all the scribbled corrections.

 

There is nothing in this process that exhibits an "other method of confirming 
the QSO". 73 jeff wk6i

 

 

 

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Dick Green WC1M <wc1m73@gmail.com 
<mailto:wc1m73@gmail.com> > wrote:

> Here is the proposed wording:
>
>  Correction of logged call signs and exchanges after a QSO is complete – by
> using use of any database, recordings, email or other methods of confirming
> QSOs – is not allowed.
>
> I don't see how that prohibits post-contest correction of typos and the like.
> 73 jeff wk6i

Because "other methods" is so broad as to prevent you from looking at a call, 
realizing you got it wrong (say, based on experience or a list of active calls 
you saw before the contest) and changing it. Even a nanosecond after you hit 
Enter.

 As worded, the change prohibits any editing of the log. The additional rule 
under Logging also prohibits most editing of the log, but it's more rational: 
what you log must match what you sent and received. This allows you to correct 
typos, provided the log matches what was sent and received (as, for example, 
recorded by you or the committee.)

But the new wording in IX.9 eliminates the ability to correct typos, resulting 
in a potential penalty for busted copy and/or breaking the logging rule. In my 
opinion, there's no need for this change because the "log must match what was 
sent and received" standard is the correct one, and the previous wording of 
IX.9 prohibited any alteration of the log after the contest. If you sent and 
received everything correctly, but made a typo in your log, you could correct 
it during the contest in order to comply with the logging rule.

73, Dick WC1M







 

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