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Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted

To: Jim Jordan <k4qpl@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
From: Henry Pollock <k4tmc@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:17:49 -0500
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Ditto to K4PQL and K0HB comments.

73,
Henry
K4TMC


Sent from my iPad

On Jan 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, "Jim Jordan" <k4qpl@nc.rr.com> wrote:

> 100% agree, Hans. Anyone who has never enjoyed the thrill of finding his own 
> contacts without assistance has never experienced real operating. Fishermen 
> catching their own shouldn't have to compete with those shooting fish in a 
> barrel.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Jim, K4QPL
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Radio K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com>
> To: <k5zd@charter.net>
> Cc: "Pete Smith N4ZR" <n4zr@contesting.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
> 
> 
>> Sorry Randy, but "pure" SO should NOT be required to compete with assisted
>> operators.  There is no logical reason to require it.
>> 
>> There is a large community of good contesters who wish to compete with
>> their non-assisted peers, not with those who use outside assistance.
>> 
>> Why does this stupid idea keep rising out of the mud?
>> 
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB/K7
>> 
>> On Friday, January 25, 2013, Randy Thompson K5ZD wrote:
>> 
>>> For these contests where there is no assisted category, instead of making
>>> yet another category, why not just allow single ops to use assistance?!
>>> 
>>> Anyone licensed in the last 15 years has never experienced life without the
>>> DX Cluster.  Perhaps it is time to accept this as it is - the new normal.
>>> 
>>> Randy, K5ZD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: CQ-Contest > 
>>> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com<javascript:;>]
>>> On Behalf Of
>>> > Pete Smith N4ZR
>>> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:32 PM
>>> > To: cq-contest@contesting.com <javascript:;>
>>> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>>> >
>>> > What Rich says is correct.  I would just add that the ARRL 10 and 160
>>> > contests are severely anachronistic in this respect.  Nobody is
>>> > suggesting that assistance be allowed for "pure" single-ops, but surely
>>> > there should be a SOA category in these contests. That there is not > 
>>> > dates
>>> > back to the earliest days of DX clusters.  To my knowledge, nobody has
>>> > advanced a reason for keeping the status quo.
>>> >
>>> > I have been in correspondence with the CAC and various directors about
>>> > this, and one told me that action might be taken in the January ARRL
>>> > Board meeting, which has just taken place.  Why it requires a decision > 
>>> > at
>>> > that level is beyond me, but that's what we have.  Now waiting for
>>> > detailed minutes to learn what, if anything, was done.
>>> >
>>> > 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>> > http://reversebeacon.net,
>>> > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>>> > For spots, please go to your favorite
>>> > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>> >
>>> > On 1/25/2013 8:51 AM, Richard DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>>> > > Usually if it says nothing, the assumption is that you must classify
>>> > yourself as multi-single as the single operator rules have language > 
>>> > about
>>> > the -operator- doing all of the activity.
>>> > >
>>> > > ARRL 160 and ARRL 10 do not have separate assisted categories -
>>> > necessitating that assisted ops enter as multi single entries.
>>> > >
>>> > > 73 Rich NN3W
>>> > >
>>> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Reply message -----
>>> > > From: Ktfrog007@aol.com <javascript:;>
>>> > > Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:30 am
>>> > > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Non-assisted & Assisted
>>> > > To: <cq-contest@contesting.com <javascript:;>>
>>> > >
>>> > > If a contest's rules say nothing about Assisted operation, does that
>>> > > mean it's allowed without restriction?
>>> > >
>>> > > Note that Single-Op has no uniform definition.  For example, in the
>>> > > ARRL RTTY Roundup, Single-Ops cannot be Assisted, while in the CQ WPX
>>> > > RTTY everyone can operate Assisted.
>>> > >
>>> > > 73,
>>> > > Kermit (Ken) AB1J
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>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
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