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Re: [Amps] Solid State Relays Again

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Solid State Relays Again
From: Larry Benko <xxw0qe@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:27:36 -0700
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Unfortunately you don't get the choice of when to switch off the SSR usually. Triacs and SCRs only switch off when the current falls below some minimum hold current. There are ways to force a turnoff by injecting reverse current etc. but this is not done in the SSRs we are talking about.

As far as the "transformer" is concerned, the current/voltage seen is a function of a lot more than just the transformer. The load, filter capacitors, the small leakage inductance, etc. all affect the result. Many switching power supplies make use of this to minimize the switch size. I have never seen a transformer circuit where the current that flowed after the input was opened exceeded the maximum current that flowed while powered. However the voltage can rise to huge values.

Here would be my take on the demise of the SSR:
1.) A 40/50A SSR in a 20A circuit is not going to be damaged by current if a step start circuit is in place and working. I also assume the SSR was adequately connected to a heat sink that is appropriate for the SSR.. 2.) If the SSR worked for many on/off cycles you would have seen all the phase angles for turn on (assuming not a zero crossing device) and the turn off occurs at the same current every time by the nature of the triac/SSR. 3.) I am assuming that nothing in the amplifier was just recently changed and the amplifier did not suffer a fault on the last operational power cycle.

A reasonable guess would be a AC line transient caused the failure and MOVs would be a good choice for future protection.

On a different note, the quescent power of a relay is about 1 to 2W for the coil for a 20A relay independent of load current while an SSR is a device that drops a voltage that is in the order of a volt or a little more. At 20A this means the SSR dissipates over 20W which is why they need to be heat sunk.

73,
Larry, W0QE


On 2/10/2014 8:50 PM, Roger (K8RI) wrote:
On 2/10/2014 2:22 PM, TexasRF@aol.com wrote:
Additionally, the step start R will alter the phase relationship as the
load is primarily resistive when it is in the circuit.

So, perhaps the more critical scenario is at switch off?

Having worked with SCRs and Triacs I'd much rather switch on at peak power than switch off while drawing current. The Collapse of the magnetic field can produce a tremendous voltage kick, or back EMF. It's my understanding that even transformers that are low voltage, high current, if turned off while drawing much current can produce many times their regular input voltage.


73

Roger (K8RI)


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