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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Lightning protection
From: Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net>
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Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 23:23:37 -0500
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No probably not but many of the principals can be scaled down as long as the 
basic rules are not ignored.

And you are right it's relatively expensive and it won't work you any more DX 
for the money spent....but...like at my home....it didn't take but one 
lightning strike on the tower where the energy ran through the shack blowing up 
everything then running to the house and damaging entertainment electronics, 
phones, appliances and wiring in the walls....before the wife says....it's got 
to go.  Referring to the tower.  And it did for 10 or so years.  When it went 
back up a grounding plan had to be a part of the installation to sink off the 
lightning energy or she wasn't going to let it go up.  There are probably 25 or 
30 10' ground rods and 350' of 1/0 stranded bare wire cad welded and buried in 
the scheme tying the electrical safety grounds of the house, shop, tower 
together so it will all rise at the same potential so current won't flow 
between them.  So far probably 6 summer seasons have passed with witnessed 
strikes to the tower each year and all I have lost was one temperatur
 e controlled soldering station....and I have yet to figure out how that 
happened.  A lot of work and a fair expense but I'm still able to play 
radio...so it was worth it.

There's a lot more to it than what I have mentioned...like lots of I.C.E. 
Protectors, ground kits on coax, and on and on...

I might have spent $600-$800 on materials but it's permanent and will protect 
things for years...

Cecil
K5DL

Sent from my iPad

> On May 14, 2014, at 8:08 PM, "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Do you believe any ham will go to that level or can afford to do so.  There 
> are less expensive methods that work equally well if and only if done 
> correctly.
> 
> 73
> Bob,  K4TAX
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clayton Brantley via TenTec" 
> <tentec@contesting.com>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Lightning protection
> 
> 
> Cecil, I have to agree with you on this. I did a 7 channel trunking system 
> for our plant in Oak Ridge, TN
> and we had copper sheet on the floor of the shack, a halo loop made from 1" 
> copper pipe around the
> ceiling with copper strap bonding to the floor and 4/0 copper wire thru each 
> corner of the building to the
> ground mat out side. A 1/4 inch copper "window" for all cables to enter/leave 
> the shack.
> 
> 
> Needless to say, we ran 24/7 without any problems.
> 
> Clayton N4EV
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:34 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <RMcGraw@Blomand.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Cecil:
> 
> I don't have a problem with your concept as long as the outside work is done
> first and correct. That says the outside system must be bonded to the AC
> mains.
> 
> Failure to do this will then tie the outside system to the equipment inside
> which is connected to the AC mains. Thus the path of destruction is through
> the radio equipment, regardless if it is ON or OFF, antenna connected or
> disconnected.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cecil" <chacuff@cableone.net>
> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Lightning protection
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2014, at 6:38 PM, "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ground?   Someone said use one for lightning protection. Why? All
>>> lightning protection should be OUTSIDE of the house and never inside. I
>>> operate from the 2nd floor of the house. No ground from the station to
>>> the outside is ever.
>> 
>>> 73
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>> I like you Bob......
>> 
>> But we will never agree on that one....
>> 
>> Too many documents and industry standards say and do otherwise....
>> 
>> First line of defense is definitely outside but not continuing that
>> protection to a shack central point ground system with all equipment
>> bonded too it and the building electrical safety ground system is only
>> doing half the job...
>> 
>> It's the system design used in every Cellular/PCS/SCADA/Public Safety
>> radio system out there....systems that have to run 24/7 lightning or not,
>> all usually with 200'+ tower heights.
>> 
>> I'm sure Jim will hammer me next.....
>> 
>> Sorry guys...it's my training and vocation...building and maintaining
>> these systems....why wouldn't one carry that philosophy as much as is
>> practical into our stations...I have with excellent results. My tower
>> gets popped a couple times a year and no damage to anything.
>> 
>> Of course this has nothing to do with the Eagle RFI problem...but I felt
>> compelled to comment. (Changed the title so as to not hijack the thread)
>> 
>> Dead horse ....I know...
>> 
>> Cecil
>> K5DL
>> 
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