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Re: [TenTec] 160 meters, ten ted 238 tuner, part two

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] 160 meters, ten ted 238 tuner, part two
From: k6jek <k6jek@comcast.net>
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:47:40 -0700
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Yes Jim,

But if we draw the Venn diagram of RF Chokes and BALUN's I speculate there is 
something in the overlap, is there not?

Jon

On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On 10/31/2013 2:39 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>> A BALUN and an RF Choke are synonymous.  They are the exact same thing
>> (except for the connection terminals).
> 
> This is TOTALLY WRONG!
> 
> I know of nearly a dozen VERY different things that are described by the word 
> "balun."
> 
> An RF choke is an inductor, and it some frequency it will resonate with its 
> own stray C.
> 
> A coil of coax is an inductive common mode choke -- the fact that it is 
> inductive makes it a LOUSY common mode choke. It is often called a balun.
> 
> A coil of coax wound through lossy ferrite cores is a RESISTIVE common mode 
> choke -- resistive because the ferrite core is lossy, because it resonates 
> with its own stray C, and the choke has been wound to place the resonance  in 
> the range of frequencies where we need a choke.
> 
> A bunch of ferrite beads on a piece of coax is a common mode choke. Most such 
> "string of beads" chokes are inductive, which makes them lousy common mode 
> chokes. The original W2DU common mode choke that he called a current balun 
> used 100 or more  #73 ferrite beads, which are made only in a size that fits 
> small diameter coax (RG58), and which DO  have the desired low Q (very lossy) 
> resonance in the HF bands. These original W2DU chokes are GOOD common mode 
> chokes.
> 
> A half wave of coax has used as part of the  feed of monoband antennas, and 
> that is called a balun.
> 
> There are arrays of common mode chokes (series/parallel) that used to 
> transform impedance and are called baluns.
> 
> There are multi-turn transformers that are called baluns.
> 
> There are active electronic products that drive video onto CAT5 cable that 
> are called baluns.
> 
> All of these are VERY different from each other. None of them are an RF Choke.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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