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Re: [TenTec] Titan 425 Amp

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Titan 425 Amp
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@weather.net>
Reply-to: geraldj@weather.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:22:36 -0600
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If you have replaced the transformer with no effect, you might try unhooking the transformer primary (just one side is enough) to isolate the supply from the primary switching. In a simplified schematic I see a couple capacitors to ground, and a step start or soft start circuit. If the relay contacts for the soft start are stuck together the main filter capacitor initial charging currents can be enough to blow the line fuses and outlet breaker. The purpose of that soft start circuit is to charge the capacitors a little slower and so keep that surge current reasonable. Also some transformers tend to remember the last peak magnetization of the core and if energized with opposite polarity the core magnetization will draw a big surge current (accompanied by a "thung" sound from the transformer).

There is a series resistor and a small fuse to protect it that isn't shorted by K7 when it works right for a second or two. That resistor can't be shorted out or its fuse would blow (unless that fuse has been replaced with something large or a brass bar) if the contacts of K7 are opening. K7 would close fast if the capacitor in its circuit was to go open. Check out the 1000 mfd across K7's coil. Check K7's contacts.

Such a soft start circuit is used in many linears and the usual failure is the surge limiting resistor going open or the relay coil going open, but the contacts could have welded or that time delay capacitor could have gone open (either a faulty capacitor or bad solder connection) to make K7 operate way too fast.

Those line bypass capacitors are not above suspicion. And all the terminal strips and wiring in the primary can have seen some lightning surge voltages to have created carbon paths to ground. You have to eliminate all of those.

The classic service technique for such a problem is not to buy a case of fuses, you can't learn much from them, but is to connect the power through a tungsten lamp that can act as a current limiter and as an indicator. Then with power applied and taking care to keep the fingers and elbows out of the high voltage you can trace the voltages to ground to find the short and see the effects of cleaning up the short, if there is one. With a sturdy short, you can test with 120 volts and probably one 500 watt lamp. Testing from 240 you probably need a couple 500 watt lamps, one for each side of the line.

73, Jerry, K0CQ

On 12/23/2010 7:58 PM, Steven Stepansky wrote:
Hello all,

I'm working on a Ten Tec 425 amp that blows both 20 amp line fuses and the 240
volt outlet breaker. I've gone through the power supply in detail, inclusive of
replacing the transformer. I've noticed that it will blow both line fuses and
the outlet breaker once the interlock switch on the back of the supply that
feeds the orange wire to the amp is engaged. But everything I check on that
orange line seems to check OK.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Steve
KC3WX
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