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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Technical Correspondence
From: wo8l@aol.com
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:48:23 -0400
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Hi,


Who in the world buys a consumer good, takes it apart and modifies or fixes 
it?? What?? Maybe .0001 per cent of the buyers worldwide?? If the thing breaks, 
you throw it away or give it to a charity.? Electronic consumer goods are too 
complex and too expensive?to fix for the huge majority of people.



Naturally, the consumer depends under closed source for all repairs and 
enhancements from the manufacturer because consumers don't have the capability 
of understanding the device, let alone repair it.? Sometimes they can't even 
figure out how to use the darned things.

LINUX is a good example of open software.? And here's the problem with LINUX.

You hire a new employee or a temp.? There is no commonality to the PCs, the 
mainframes, the networks, the interfaces from company to company or within the 
same organization.? The new employee/temp has no idea how to accomplish tasks.? 

Technologically speaking, do I drive on the right side of the road or the 
left?? When I move from program to program, why is there no consistency?? How 
the heck does this work?? And what company has the time and money to pay people 
to learn something totally foreign or developers to establish that commonality?

Fortunately or unfortunately, when you sit down at a closed software Microsoft 
product, you can hire a zillion people who know how to use it.? No assembly 
required.

I live in a pretty hip techology area, North Carolina.? We base a lot of our 
economy on technology.? LINUX is not very attractive to companies here.

Only people who really know what they're doing use LINUX.

Which brings me back to my major point.? Open software is O.K. for those who 
know or think they know what they're doing.? Those who think they know what 
they're doing far outnumber those who actually do know what they're doing.? I 
see it day in and day out.

For most of us, including myself working in the technology field, the negatives 
of open software are incredible.? I just want people to accomplish the tasks 
they're hired to do.? And closed technology is the most direct path to making 
that happen.

As a boss of mine once said, "be creative on your own time.? The Chinese are 
killing us just sticking to the task."

73s,

Rick
WO8L











-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Savage Turner <csturner@kcbx.net>
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Technical Correspondence




On Jul 25, 2007, at 6:01 AM, wo8l@aol.com wrote:
>
> The idea of opening up software to any and all comers is a little 
> scary.?

Sure, it may scare some people, it involves the writer/owner allowing 
the customer/user to have some control in the features, understanding 
and repair of the software (rather like most all other consumer goods 
we buy, we can look at them, dissassemble them if we like, fix them?)   
Closed source, however, involves full control retained by the 
writers/manufacturers.   As a user, you depend fully on them for all 
features, fixes and updates.  Not always a bad thing, not always a good 
thing.

Note that (at least a few years back) - surveys indicated that business 
network downtime insurance was LESS when a company used Linux (open 
source!) and cost more when using Microsoft servers and software.  
Linux, open source, provided the more reliable solution!   Microsoft 
has been working hard to catch up to that sort of reliability   A very 
interesting situation.

> First, in today's digital communications world, if?a company doesn't 
> own and control the software, then what do you own?? A box with a 
> bunch of electronic parts in it, I'd say.

This, actually, has nothing to do with closed source by itself.  You 
can certainly open the source and keep copyright and patent rights 
intact.  In fact, patents are open source by law!  You HAVE TO publish 
your innovation in order to receive a patent.  Of course, copyright is 
easily circumvented by other writers if the source is out there, but 
many of us respect the rights of others, we just want to know how to 
understand it or fix it if the writers are too busy or too lazy to fix 
it!  (OR if they want to make me buy a whole new piece of software to 
"fix" the bugs left in the last version!)
>
> Second, if you have open software, warranty and repair issues get very 
> sticky.? You'd almost need a policy that when somebody modifies the 
> software on their own, the warranty is void.? In terms of out of 
> warranty

"Almost" need this?  All warranties I've ever seen include this.  It is 
completely standard and is fair, of course.  Why would it be otherwise?

> repairs, there would be cases when it would be too much trouble to 
> return the product to optimum condition.
>
> Third, and most important, people overestimate their knowledge and 
> ability with software and that leads to trouble very quickly.? I work 
> as a contractor in computer type jobs.? The world is full of people 
> who think they know what they're doing when they really don't, 
> including me.? I commonly ask the question "why in the world did you 
> do THAT?"

Well, that certainly is a good point.  You point to the main feature of 
closed source - the user is NOT responsible and has NO control or power 
when the software is broken or a feature does not work, the owner of 
the software is the only one who can touch it (or refuse to touch it).  
That's OK for those who want things that way, but for those who like to 
be responsible and learn about things, fix things, look at how they 
work  (like most hams I know???), open source makes a lot more sense.
>
> Open software is nice in theory but it can lead to real problems.

Oh, heck, its nice in reality for much longer than most closed source 
companies have existed.  It leads to different benefits and risks than 
closed source, but it focuses on the user's interest in the software 
rather than the writer's control of the software.  That is a different 
set of problems :-)

Clark
WA3JPG

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