William
Amateur radio is a great hobby, which can bring great reward to those
prepared to invest in it. It is a good way to reach out and meet new
people. There are, of course, many ways to do just that.
Whichever path you follow to meet your objective, a holier than thou
attitude, demeaning of the financial and intellectual investment of others,
will likely meet with a similar response. Should you settle upon a less
genteel pursuit, then take particular care. You may find responses adorned
with characteristics, more physical in nature.
Respect for the opinion of those who have made significant investment in
support of a proposition is usually good manners. Lecturing, as one who
holds all the answers, whilst having zero investment and little more
experience, is not a good place to start.
Bob, 5B4AGN
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Addams" <wiladdamsham@yahoo.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."
Bob,
You may not have seen it, but I'm not a ham yet, so I don't have a call
sign.
I wanted to be a ham to "reach out" and meet new people. But if this
reflector is an indicator of what I will reach out and find, then I'm not so
sure that this hobby is for me.
As I said in my last post, which was suppose to be my last post, this will
now be my last post. The bantering on here is dissolving my desire for this
as a hobby now. And I feel I'm wasting my time discussing dead end issues.
Life is too short.
Thanks,
Wil
Bob Henderson <bob@5b4agn.net> wrote: William
I'm sure many reflectees will be as appreciative of your input as I am. We
are indeed blessed in having one so knowledgable and well versed in the
truths of the situation, ready and willing to point us to the straight and
narrow.
You have already identified the source of your great knowledge, as your
relationship with a man who ostensibly owns an Orion. Please further our
education by advising whether you actually hold an amateur transmitting
license. If so, what is your call and the date of its issue. Such
information will be useful in establishing your credentials.
Others on this reflector will consider themselves to be entitled to offer
critical input based upon a whole range of qualifications.
I consider myself qualified for a number of reasons, including but not
limited to:
30 year career in electronic engineering.
Owner of 5 Ten Tec radios including two Orions
$12,000 invested in Ten Tec product
40 years as a radio amateur
18 months as member of TT Orion beta group
I guess you could call me a stakeholder. I guess many of us would feel
comfortable, referred to in that way. How about you?
Bob, 5B4AGN
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Addams"
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Being a Contrarian...."
Urban myths.
Facts are:
Doug Smith and Gary Barbour wrote the classic Orion.
Doug Smith left TenTec under non-amicable terms.
The Classic Orion had lots of lock up issues, a lot due to the DSP code
couldn't communicate well with the other microprocessors, and would lock
up the busses.
Gary Barbour re-wrote ALL of the Orion II, mainly to free up processing
time so that the communications channels would not lock up anymore. Also
due to the fact that the chip was going obsolete, and then decided to add
a color screen and better filtering.
Those are facts.
They don't have a team of 100s doing engineering work, like Icom and Yaesu
and Kenwood do.
They only have a couple of people in engineering that do design work, and
only a couple of people that do testing internally. They do a lot of their
user testing by having their service group and others take sets home and
test on the air.
This is a "Ham" engineering team, who try to make the best products
available at a cost that most can afford. They are not a team of hundreds
of engineers, otherwise you would see more and more products coming out.
This team of engineers also has to deal with obsolete parts issues,
problems in the factory, answering hundreds of service questions posted by
people who are using the radio "in a different way" than anyone else on
the planet.
Being new to this, I would love to see a radio that has ALL bands
available for ALL modes, including 6m and 2m. Maybe that isn't possible,
but it would be nice to have something all rolled up into one.
However, given that they are constantly getting barraged by arguments on
how NR should work, we may not see something "new" from them for quite
some time.
Maybe the people on this board are part of the problem.
A lot of people start yelling before they have found out that the problem
is really in their shack.Next time, ask if someone else has seen this, you
will be surprised, most problems are answered right on here, but people
ignore the answer, only to find out that later, the original answer by one
of your fellow hams was actually correct, and it was your mic, not your
Orion SW.
A lot of people praise the new NR scheme, and a lot of people condemn it.
Some call for them to make a menu item so that you can pick which way it
works. Imagine, taking the time to do this, takes away time from fixing
other bugs, and from introducing new things.
So they have to weigh the benefits of the changes, and then weigh the
consequences of not having a new product that would compete with their
competitors on 6m, or on the internet, or ........
I do not envy them.
I just wish everyone would be more supportive, and not so immediately
condemnative.
TT is a great company, best service my bud has ever seen, and I'm afraid
that some day they may decide that it is too much hassle to stay in the
amateur market, and go with nothing but commercial products. Afterall,
commercial probably pays the bills, and they have exacting specs on how
things should work. Whereas selling to the amateur market is like selling
to a thousand different customers with a hundred thousand different
requirements, often varying from day to day from the same person. So many
times I've seen where one person says something, then contradicts
themselves the next week just to keep an argument alive.
Remember what you got into amateur radio for in the first place.
Helping others learn more about it
adventure
working together.
That is why I started into the hobby, but I could see some who would read
this list, and drop out because ... too much bs... it should be easier...
the sure don't live up to their credo...
This will be my last post, as I too am getting disheartened for now.
Grant Youngman wrote: > Doug Smith's leaving TT was NOT
an 'urban myth'!
But the notion that the Orion somehow died with him is. Positively.
Absurd. Of course he left. Last I heard he isn't the last living guy
that
knows stuff. That he had the mojo and the rest is history -- that's the
mythololgy, which has now become dogma. If Gary B did do the Orion II
single handedly (maybe that's just another piece of mythology), how many
of
the whiners (and I've been one, too, at times) could even come close?
Come to think of it, this whole series of threads is absurd.
I don't understand why all the guys who think that they could do a better
job, don't get together, throw in their savings accounts, and just build a
radio. Then we'll see. Nothing is perfect for everyone. Not the Orion,
or
the II, or the 7800 or the 9000 or .... Nothing is perfect.
The whole business is just filling up disk space in my DELETED folder,
including this useless contribution.
Grant/NQ5T
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