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Re: [TenTec] Is Orion really worth it? Given the published problems?

To: Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net>, tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Is Orion really worth it? Given the published problems?
From: Peter Connors <monotreme@ntlworld.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:39:09 +0100
List-post: <mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
Yes adjust, switch switch, adjust, switch switch, etc etc was one of the 
things that was drummed into me during my BBC training in the analogue 
age. You spent the first part of each morning 'lining up' equipment 
before you could actually start using it. Thank goodness for the digital 
revolution (except the bits that give me rfi) for sparing much of the 
endless engineering pedantry needed to guarantee a broadcast chain.

Anyway, back to the point: using your protocol my O2 s/n 05C10726 
running v2.034 shows a gentle roll off: -2.6dB at 250Hz and -5.5dB by 
50Hz. As far as I can see there has been no published firmware change 
that would account for this difference with your sample; perhaps there 
is an undocumented hardware mod or some other reason for the variation 
between samples - and it is entirely possible that the O2 spec was 
arrived at using a completely different test protocol.
Either way, my O2 appears to have a very good response for speech 
communication so I don't think I will lose any sleep over it :-)

Pete, G4PLZ

Ron Castro wrote:
> The Aux input will probably be a bit flatter, but a review of the design 
> shows very little in the mic pre-amp that would cause any significant 
> deterioration of the response.  The AGC is a bit more problematic, since 
> there is no way to know if it is changing the input level.  As we both 
> know from our broadcast experience, all good broadcast audio processors 
> intended to be used between the board and the transmitter have a "Proof" 
> switch of some sort that disables processing while still allowing 
> frequency response, distortion and noise to be tested.
> 
> Good luck and please let us know your test results!
> 
> Ron N6AHA
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Connors" <monotreme@ntlworld.com>
> To: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Is Orion really worth it? Given the published 
> problems?
> 
> 
>> Yes, the ALC would distort the response - which is why I was 
>> interested in your protocol. I will do a run on the MIC input too but 
>> the AUX input *should* have the flattest response.
>>
>> Pete, G4PLZ
>>
>> Ron Castro wrote:
>>> You can't do a frequency response test on an SSB rig if the ALC or 
>>> audio AGC (there is one in the Orion I and II mic preamp) is acting 
>>> on the signal.  I injected a signal generator into the Aux input and 
>>> ran the output at a steady 25 Watts (PWR set at 100%), and adjusted 
>>> the generator up and down across the spectrum to get 25 Watts.
>>>
>>> Ron N6AHA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Connors" 
>>> <monotreme@ntlworld.com>
>>> To: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>; <tentec@contesting.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Is Orion really worth it? Given the published 
>>> problems?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, I see that from the measurement you report on your website but 
>>>> that isn't what your bullet point was and I still don't quite 
>>>> understand the need for an increase in response at 50Hz. I think you 
>>>> might mean "I would prefer the lf response to begin rolling off later".
>>>>
>>>> For the measurement you didn't specify where the output is measured 
>>>> from - is it at the antenna socket at full output but before ALC 
>>>> action starts? This would help this ex-BBC engineer to attempt to 
>>>> replicate your findings.
>>>>
>>>> Pete, G4PLZ
>>>>
>>>> Ron Castro wrote:
>>>>> The roll-off starts at 400 Hz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Castro
>>>>> Chief Technical Officer
>>>>> Results Radio, LLC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Connors" 
>>>>> <monotreme@ntlworld.com>
>>>>> To: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>; "Discussion of Ten-Tec 
>>>>> Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:00 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Is Orion really worth it? Given the published 
>>>>> problems?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Castro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3).  The missing 9 dB of low frequency response at 50 Hz as shown 
>>>>>>> in the specifications;
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am fascinated to find out why a better response is needed at 
>>>>>> 50Hz. A bass singing voice might go down to 65Hz but I am unaware 
>>>>>> of the communications advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete, G4PLZ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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