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Re: [TenTec] Using Airpax breaker

To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Using Airpax breaker
From: "Kirk Braunius" <kbraunius@gmail.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:53:22 -0400
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Yikes!  What did I start?  I seem to have an affinity for this - my recent
for sale post touched off a smoking shack debate.

Nonetheless, thank you again to all who responded.  I am going to go ahead
and mount it in a box and attach with spade connectors.

Kirk
AI4PZ


On 6/18/06, Rideout Family <wa6ipd@dslextreme.com> wrote:

Marsh, the reason fuses are required with motors is the short circuit
current or AIC (ampere interrupting capacity).  It would not be unusual
for a three phase 40hp motor to fail and have a short circuit of 100,000
amperes.  The maximum rating of circuit breakers is 50,000 AIC so the
breaker will explode.  Fuses for 40hp motors would be required to have
ratings of 250,000 AIC.  Next time you visit Home Depot check their
fuses you will find several price ranges which are related to the AIC.
As for 400hp motors they sometimes use what looks like a circuit breaker
but is only a disconnect and an integral part of the unit is a fuse.
All large motors are protected by fuses.

Best

Art


KA5M@aol.com wrote:
> I'm reluctant to jump into the fray, but I guess I just cannot
resist....
>
> I cannot think of an overcurrent protective device I've run across in
the
> past 35 years working for a manufacturer of electrical controls and
power
> distribution equipment that was not an inverse time curve device.  In
other words,
> the higher the overcurrent, the faster the device opens.  Typically,
fuses are
> quicker than circuit breakers because of the reasons Art mentions, no
moving
> mechanical parts.  Of course there are plenty of exceptions, such as
time delay
> fuses and very fast-acting specialty circuit breakers.
>
> However, I do not understand where Art comes up with fuses being
required for
> large industrial motor circuits.  I can show him lots of large, up to
400HP
> on 480V 3-phase, motor applications where a circuit breaker, or more
likely a
> magnetic trip only circuit breaker, feeds a motor starter that controls
the
> motor.  Sometimes both a circuit breaker and fuses are used in
series.  An
> example is adjustable frequency drive applications, where it is not
uncommon to have
> fast-acting fuses on the input side of the drive even when the drive has
an
> input circuit breaker.  The fuses are there because they can clear a
fault very
> quickly.
>
> One thing is for sure.  Somewhere there is a time current curve for the
fuse
> or circuit breaker you are considering for your application that tells
you how
> fast the device will open based on the percentage of overload.
>
> The fuse versus circuit breaker debate has been going on for a long,
long
> time, and nothing I'm going to write here is going to bring it to an
end.
>
> 73,
> Marsh, KA5M
>
>
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