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Re: [TenTec] Omni-VI+ Phase Nosie and INRAD roofing filter mod?

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni-VI+ Phase Nosie and INRAD roofing filter mod?
From: "Michael Tope" <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:20:33 -0700
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Volpe" <kg6tt@arrl.net>
To: <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: [TenTec] Omni-VI+ Phase Nosie and INRAD roofing filter mod?


I am selecting which of my transceivers to take to Field Day with the
choices either my Corsair II or my Omni-VI+. You would think this to be
a slam dunk decision in favor of the newer radio. However, I still have
a very bad memory from last Field Day when I took a Kenwood TS-940SAT
which had so much Phase Noise that when transmitting I wiped out the
other two club stations. I have subsequently deep six'd that
transceiver. Now not wanting a repeat of that experience I decided to
make a very simple test.... and got rather disturbing results.

Test One: Omni-VI+ to a dummy load. 14.005 MHz. Power output varying
between low and hight power. Keyed with electronic keyer.  Corsair II
with unterminated receiver (basically on a shorted connector of the same
switch connecting the Omni-VI+ to the dummy load). As I tuned across
20-meters I could not hear the Omni-VI+ transmitting until I was pretty
much on the transmit frequency +- say 3 kHz. This was satisfactory.
Changing the Corsair II's XTAL filter to 1.8, 500, or 250 Hz made the
reception tighter as expected.

Test Two: Reverse the roles. With the Corsair II transmitting at even
the least output possible the Omni-VI+ presented 'keying' noise across
the entire 20-meter band with a few false signals to boot! Inserting
different first or second IF filters did little to reduce this.
Eeeaaoooouuucchhhhh! Granted the noise floor alternately raising and
lowering with the keyed Corsair was maybe an S-3 to S-4 level but having
that noise constantly present for 24 plus hours..... Hmmmmm.


Jerry,

I'd be careful about how I was doing the testing. I've noticed that when testing rigs right next to each other with a common physical connection that there are all sorts of common-mode sneak paths between the rigs, so what you hear in that kind of configuration isn't necessarily representative of what you would hear with two rigs in close proximity connected to different antennas. Try for instance listening to an HF transciever driving an amplifier on another closeby HF receiver with no antenna connected to its input (e.g. just listening to the leakage from the trasmitting rig over to the receiver). Even though the received signal isn't overwhelmingly strong, it will usually sound so bad (clicks, broadband noise, 60 Hz humm), that it will make your blood curdle, but if you listen to that same signal as it goes out over the air, it will sound fine. I am not saying that the Omni 6+ should be better than the Corsair (I frankly don't know), only that your test might not be representative of real world conditions.
73, Mike W4EF......................



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