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Re: [TenTec] LDG AT100 Pro power handling

To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] LDG AT100 Pro power handling
From: Ken Brown <ken.d.brown@verizon.net>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:53:47 -1000
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"How does one accurately measure RF power into an unknown impedance
using the typical wattmeter either internal or external to the rig?"

One most likely does not, nor does one need to. All that is necessary is that the power is low enough to reduce relay contact damage as they are hot switched during the tuning process, and the power is high enough for the SWR bridge (if it it really is an SWR bridge) to detect the forward and reflected power. I understand that some auto tuners are not tuning only for minimum reflected. They also look for RF current and RF voltage phase relation. When voltage and current are in phase the load is non-reactive. Either way the circuitry does not need a specific power level, it just needs enough, and to save the relays you want the power to be not too much.

"Then how could one tune even a manual tuner with an automatic SWR bridge?"

Really we don't need to know the absolute SWR we are just trying to adjust for minimum reflected. True, if you don't have enough forward power, there also won't be enough reflected power to tell the tuner it needs to keep trying for a better match. Once you have adjusted for minimum reflected, you can check the SWR if you really want to know.

I have a SG-235, which is also a tuner that uses relays to select from a finite number of fixed inductances and capacitances. It is rated at 500 watts, and can be used with SGC's 500 watt solid state amplifier, the SG-500. The manual says to use low power (it think they say 50 watts, which also happens to be the nominal drive power for the SG-500) for tuning, and to only run higher power levels AFTER a successful match has been found. It even has a control line coming from it that can be used to inhibit the SG-500 until the tuner has found a match.

I was using my SG-235 with a Kenwood TS-440. I had a problem with an interaction between the tuner and the transmitter. The reverse power protection circuitry on the TS-440 would vary the TX power output as the reflected power varied during the tuning process. This confused the SG-235, and it usually failed to find a proper match. Turning the RF level (I think it is called "CAR" for carrier on the TS-440) down sometimes worked, but sometimes not. Eventually I solved this problem by building a 2.5 dB "cantennuator" T network out of a bunch or 2 watt carbon comp resistors in a quart paint can full of mineral oil. This also solved another problem: the TS-440 when turned down to the 50 to 60 watts that the SG-500 wanted to be driven by, had a funny soft CW keying envelope. Adding 2.5 dB of loss makes no important difference receiving on the lower bands, where we have receiver gain to burn due to high terrestrial noise levels.

Interaction between the transmitter's reverse power protection and the auto tuning process is probably less of a problem with most Ten-Tec transceivers, which have PAs built to handle a lot of reflected power, and don't have the automatic power reduction with high reflected power like the Kenwood TS-440. Also Ten-Tec radios tend to maintain a proper CW keying envelope at whatever TX power they are set to.

To sum it up:

While tuning an antenna tuner, either automatic or manual, it is fairly common practice to use reduced TX power.

We don't need to know the exact power level to get the tuner adjusted.

We don't need to know the exact SWR while we are adjusting the tuner.

DE N6KB






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