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Re: [CQ-Contest] 7% of contesters self spotted in ARRL DX SSB 2024 - twi

To: Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] 7% of contesters self spotted in ARRL DX SSB 2024 - twice as many as in CW
From: JP <jp@ezoom.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:52:49 -0700
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Absolutely not. 

We ID’d after every single QSO at KP4AA during CQWW SSB last fall. We were 
still spotted as KP5AA (really?), KP2AA and a variety of others that cause a 
spike in the number of dupes each time it happened. 

J.P. W2XX

> On Mar 10, 2024, at 6:54 PM, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Do you think those complaints come more often from those who do not ID
> after every QSO?
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:34 PM Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent point.  I did notice a number of complaints from people that
>> had been spotted wrong causing them a bunch of dupes because people
>> don't always confirm who they are working.  The ability to say hey W0MU
>> is here not W0TU is valuable.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>>> On 3/10/2024 2:57 PM, Jack Brindle wrote:
>>> Mike;
>>> 
>>> The skimmer code sometimes gets the call wrong. I saw quite a few
>> skimmer/RBN spots in CW DX Test that were incorrect. Most had a skimmer
>> spot at the same frequency with the correct call.
>>> Just to make sure, it seems reasonable to do a self-spot to make sure it
>> gets through properly. In phone test, I saw a lot of this.
>>> 
>>> It might also be worth while to re-spot the bad call with something out
>> of the CW segment to get it out of most user’s maps. It would be
>> interesting to hear peoples thoughts on doing that, especially since it is
>> somewhat possible the call is a good one.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Jack, W6FB
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 3:16 PM, Mike Fatchett W0MU <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What would be the reason to self spot on CW?  I see the advantages on
>> SSB.
>>>> 
>>>> W0MU
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/9/2024 9:36 AM, Sandy N7RQ via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>>>>  Interesting.  I tried self-spotting for the first time.  Although it
>> appeared to work in tests prior to the contest, I couldn't get it to work
>> during it.  Clearly, something I didn't do in the set-up prevented it.  Bob
>> K8IA was in the other room watching a mirror of my screen and he would spot
>> me now and then at his leisure while he was watching tv, along with other
>> folks in the contest who also spotted me.  I'm still never going to beat
>> KU2M with his east coast killer station, but I enjoyed a more steady run of
>> stations for a good part of the contest.  We won't talk about most of
>> Sunday - bleah.  Thank you for this, Tim.  It's very interesting.
>>>>> 73/88 Sandy N7RQ
>>>>>     On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 07:14:13 AM MST, Tim Shoppa <
>> tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>    342 stations self-spotted during ARRL DX SSB 2024 more than 10
>> times, a
>>>>> clear step up over self-spotting usage in the CW leg two weeks earlier.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Self-spotting has been allowed by ARRL for all entrants in ARRL
>> contests
>>>>> for 15 months now. Note that most all other contest sponsors -
>> especially
>>>>> CQ/WWROF contests - still explicitly ban self-spotting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Several prominent US/VE stations used DX callsigns as the originator
>> when
>>>>> sending some or all of their self spots to the cluster, and
>> visa-versa. For
>>>>> example, 9A7P self-spotted using W3WM, and AA3B self spotted using
>> DL/AA3B.
>>>>> This is above and beyond several US hams in the Caribbean that logged
>> into
>>>>> the cluster using their home callsigns. This is important to work
>> around
>>>>> geographically restrictive filters many hams have set for the origin
>> of the
>>>>> cluster spots they see.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The top ten self-spotters in ARRL DX SSB 2024 by my analysis are:
>>>>> 
>>>>> #self-
>>>>> spots  call    spotted using calls
>>>>> -----  -----  -------------------
>>>>> 589    9A1A    9A1A 9A5W
>>>>> 542    CR6K    CR6K CT1ILT
>>>>> 529    ZF1A    ZF1A ZF1BB
>>>>> 483    W3LPL  W3LPL
>>>>> 394    K1TTT  K1TTT KA1R
>>>>> 386    PJ2T    K8ND PJ2T W0CG
>>>>> 384    N5DX    N5DX
>>>>> 379    9A7P    9A7P W3WM
>>>>> 360    EI7M    G4PCS
>>>>> 358    ED7W    EB7A ED7W
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can find my full self-spotting analysis for ARRL DX SSB 2024 and
>> the
>>>>> raw Telnet data at https://radiosport.world/2024arrlssb.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim N3QE
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