I agree with Bob 100%.
I've been in the same boat. While its best to pick a full call sign, its
not possible every time.
I've been chasing band/countries this morning on the high bands. The
amount of times a station calls when there is absolutely no portion of
their call that the DX station is calling is disheartening and
frustrating at the very least.
Rich - N5ZC
On 2/25/2024 8:43 AM, kq2m@kq2m.com wrote:
On many occasions during ARRLDXCW I was using my FT1000MP with a PAIR of
250khz filters and then adding the Notch filter (manually tuning back
and forth), IPO and shift/width (manually tuning back and forth) and
Clarifier (RIT) manually tuning back and forth and NOTHING helped pick
out any callsign. Sometimes for even as long as 1 minute I could not
pull out a single callsign out of mass of endless callers. I have even
resorted to listening to the beats created by two stations with same
signal strength on the same freq. calling at the same time at DIFFERENT
SPEEDS, and then using that to discern a callsign while not actually
ever the signal itself.
The massive pileup was one thing, but the ENDLESS calling of stations
that I had NOT called is something quite different - it was noticeably
worse in this contest than any before and the trend has been getting
steadily worse since a few years ago.
Typical was when I came back with a FULL call:
G8XYV 599CT and what I heard was:
UA3ABC
IK8ZZZ
RU1AAA and several others calling
2nd try I again sent:
G8XYV 599CT and what I heard was
UA3ABC
IK8ZZZ
DL8XYZ
3rd try I again sent:
G8XYV 599CT and what I heard was
IK8ZZZ
DL8XYZ
4th try I again sent:
G8XYV 599CT and what I heard was
IK8ZZZ and G8XYV (miraculously he was still calling me although
sometimes a station would have left by now)
and I finally logged the qso on the 4th or 5th try if someone impatient
on the freq. didn't start transmitting QRL? QRZ? or dumping
their callsign in and wiping out G8XYV, or some lid started cqing on top
of us.
It was that out of control for many hours on Saturday and again on
Sunday, turning 250+ hours in 180 hours and wasting everyone's time
NEEDLESSLY.
Frankly, it is MADDENING!
Yes, I would much rather have this than a dead band, but why does it
need to happen at all? Occasional op mistakes are one thing; when
sleep-deprived we all are unintentional lids at times, but THIS is an
operating pattern that is spreading and accelerating rapidly. It is
just plain inconsiderate and DUMB to operate like this - the triumph
of entitlement, impatience and spite (if I can't work him then NO ONE
will work him!) over patience and the pride in demonstrating good
operating skills.
Morse Runner does not help with that and all the filtering does not help
with that.
If you are an offender then you are not likely reading this post on the
CQ-Contest reflector, but if you are reading it, PLEASE KNOCK IT OFF!
PLEASE LISTEN before you transmit and PLEASE CONTROL YOURSELF! Keep your
impatience and whatever else you are feeling in check and operate with
some courtesy and good skills and make the contest a more pleasant
experience for yourself and everyone else. If ops behave better then
maybe in the next pileup you are calling in, YOU will get through that
much FASTER?!!
Here's to GREAT conditions and BETTER operating!
73
Bob, KQ2M
On 2024-02-24 16:49, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
Narrow up your filter and use the RIT. It does work.
Or hit Morse Runner for some more practice.
73 Rich NN3W
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 12:35 PM Tom Hellem <tom.hellem@gmail.com> wrote:
Pete:
I’m not really seeing how the stations in EU not hearing each other
has anything to do with the problem.
Here’s a typical exchange:
I call cq. A pile of 8 stations responds. I copy DL5 and put it in
the call sign field, hit F5 three times. The same 8 station pile
comes back again, only one that I can discern having DL5 in the call.
Rest are I, EW, UA, S5, etc. Repeat sequence 2 more times until
enough finally shut up that I can get the DL5’s full call.
Sound familiar?
Tom H
K0SN
> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I would rank most of us below the Japanese when it comes to
average operating etiquette, but it's worth remembering that
particularly on the high bands callers often can't hear each other,
and the "1X?" sort of obscure query can lead to a number of callers
who have found the fragment in their calls (or close to) and choose
to believe it's them..
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
>> On 2/23/2024 5:56 PM, Tom Hellem wrote:
>> Art et al:
>> I had the same experience during the peaks of the high band
openings to EU on both days. Nothing serves as a rate-killer like a
bunch of stations all calling on the same frequency over and over. I
have never experienced operating practice that bad in 30 years of
contesting. Contrasted with the JA’s and to be fair, most other
areas, it’s like night and day.
>>
>> Tom
>> K0SN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Art Boyars<artboyars@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> In case you didn't read my post on 3830scores.com (and why would
you?)...
>>>
>>> I did Saturday night and a bit of Sunday morning at W3LPL. When
I got home
>>> Sunday I did one "fresh meat" run on each band, 10M, 15M, 20M,
40M. Great
>>> rates, for 15 minutes or so. However (quoting myself):
>>>
>>> A comment/complaint: Some of the European Big Guns (especially the
>>> multi-op's) were VERY aggressive callers. I'd send a partial
call, and
>>> several other stations would keep calling. I guess they needed
the MD
>>> multiplier.
>>>
>>>
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