Don't you find it ironic that the same competition that requires you to not use
SCP, not have your volume on until the start of the contest, not allow you to
identify yourself on the air, is going to broadcast non-stop over the internet
the calls and frequencies of the SSB stations so that they "get attention"? I
thought getting attention was one of the skills that were being tested....but
apparently not.
I work Low Power quite often. With big antennas. And in ARRL DX SSB I am a
pretty desired mult from Vermont. I have gone 30 minutes at times on SSB
running, sometimes over 100 hour rate, and not been spotted.
I totally disagree with you that it’s a "non-issue".
Ed N1UR
-----Original Message-----
From: WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 9:48 PM
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>; Jack Brindle
<jackbrindle@me.com>
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re[2]: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
there will be enough participants chasing the award that spotting will occur
anyway, I think its a non-issue.....
------ Original Message ------
From "Edward Sawyer" <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
To "Jack Brindle" <jackbrindle@me.com>
Cc "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Date 6/27/2023 4:36:32 PM
Subject Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>Jack – its worse than that actually. The organizers will apparently scan the
>bands for SSB signals and spot them for the competitors. Kind of like a
>manual SSB CW skimmer…
>
>Ed N1UR
>
>From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 4:30 PM
>To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
>Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
>Ed;
>
>It appears that you are saying that self-spotting is allowed for the WRTC
>participants. Where do you get this? The Competition Rules at
>https://www.wrtc2022.it/en/competition-rules-29.asp seem to explicitly outlaw
>this. What are we missing?
>
>73,
>Jack, W6FB
>
>
>
>On Jun 27, 2023, at 1:58 PM, Edward Sawyer
><EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>>
>wrote:
>
>Sorry but activating a callsign block is not the same as broadcasting them
>continually over the cluster when no one else can do it.
>
>Such decisions should not even be the sole responsibility of WRTC – they
>should be overlaying passively – not hijacking.
>
>Ed N1UR
>
>From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w@gmail.com>>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:54 PM
>To: Edward Sawyer
><EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>>
>Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
>Kind of like how using a callsign block that had not been activated in nearly
>30 years was re-opened up just for WRTC? Nobody complained an ounce then - in
>fact it was lauded. That certainly detracted from working other stations.
>
>73 Rich NN3W
>
>On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 2:16 PM Edward Sawyer
><EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com><mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>>
> wrote:
>Hi Rich. However, you are affecting the scores of other participants by
>pulling Qs away with a tool that is not allowed by others. As an example, if
>a record was possible, and scores are lower, this is an unacceptable outcome
>for a group hijacking a contest. No longer overlaying, but selfishly
>influencing. Its just not acceptable in my opinion.
>
>Ed N1UR
>
>From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W
><richnn3w@gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w@gmail.com><mailto:richnn3w@gmail.com>>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:13 PM
>To: Edward Sawyer
><EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com><mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>>
>Cc:
>cq-contest@contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com><mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
>I mean we're only competing with ourselves within the shell of the IARU
>contest so I don't see what the big deal is. We're scored differently, we're
>categorized differently, etc.
>
>73 Rich NN3W
>
>On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 1:30 PM Edward Sawyer
><EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com><mailto:EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>>
> wrote:
>Thanks for this interesting info. There has been virtually nothing relayed by
>the WRTC Committee to the outside world on what is going to happen there. No
>site information and obviously no mention of drastic inclusions like patronage
>self-spotting.
>
>Personally, I think that self-spotting on SSB (which in my opinion is
>seriously wrong to hijack an on-going contest in this way) when no one else
>competing can do so within the rules, is completely out of bounds. To
>"overlay yourself" onto a competition for another purpose is one thing - which
>I have no objection to. However, to actually then introduce interaction which
>will PULL Qs from the normal contest participants in favor of your overlay is
>unsportsmanlike and unethical.
>
>This is a serious mistake in my opinion and a very dangerous precedent being
>set. I implore the WRTC group to not do this. Even the HQ stations are not
>allowed to self-spot in this contest.
>
>Ed N1UR
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