Amen to that. The most telling post on the subject to date by far.
K0SN
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 4:47 PM Steve Dyer W1SRD via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> It's not any different. This whole issue is a nothing burger. The tech
> exists for a phone RBN, just no one has (bothered) to do it.
> No, self spotting won't be the "end of contesting as we know it" (TM).
> I am far more worried about the skewed distribution of CK numbers in my
> log.
> 73,
> Steve
> W1SRD
>
> On 11/23/2022 9:52 AM, Lee Hiers wrote:
> > How is that materially different from having a program that automatically
> > spots every S&P contact, clogging the cluster with spots of CQing
> stations?
> >
> > 73 de Lee, AA4GA
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 7:19 PM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> It makes no sense to encourage stations to clog the clusters with spots
> >> of themselves, just because they can.
> >>
> >> 73, Pete N4ZR
> >> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> >> web server at<https://reversebeacon.net>.
> >> For spots, please use your favorite
> >> "retail" DX cluster.
> >>
> >> On 11/22/2022 12:12 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
> >>> Bob W5OV of the ARRL has corrected me.
> >>>
> >>> He writes "Your reading of PROH.3 is not correct. That exclusion is
> >>> specifically about making schedules, soliciting contacts (i.e.; CQing),
> >> and
> >>> sending or receiving the required QSO exchange information via
> >> non-amateur
> >>> means. It says nothing about spotting."
> >>>
> >>> I myself fail to see any distinction between self-spotting on a Telnet
> >>> cluster, and soliciting i.e. CQing using non-amateur means, but that's
> >>> official from W5OV of ARRL.
> >>>
> >>> Tim N3QE
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:13 AM Tim Shoppa<tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> First, make sure you have the latest rules. ARRL didn't update the
> >>>> November SS rules (to the latest, version 1.06) on their website until
> >> late
> >>>> August. Prior to that we just had a confusing tease about
> self-spotting
> >>>> from a Contest Update earlier in the year.
> >>>>
> >>>> Link to current SS rules:
> >>>> https://contests.arrl.org/ContestRules/SS-Rules.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> My reading of SS rule PROH.3 in version 1.06 of the rules, is that
> >>>> self-spotting is a form of soliciting contacts by a non-amateur radio
> >> means
> >>>> (in this case Telnet cluster) and thus prohibited:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Examples of prohibited conduct [...]: PROH.3. Arranging, soliciting,
> or
> >>>> confirming any contacts during or after the contest by use of any
> >>>> non-amateur radio means."
> >>>>
> >>>> One clarification in 1.06 does explicitly allow a corner case of
> >> spotting,
> >>>> that was never previously mentioned in past contest rules. In the
> >>>> definition section you will find, "Generating spotting information for
> >> use
> >>>> by other stations is not considered to be spotting assistance." So for
> >>>> example you can be hooked up to a cluster and sending spots, as long
> as
> >>>> you've set all the filters such that nothing ever comes in to you from
> >> the
> >>>> cluster.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tim N3QE
> >>>>
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