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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge
From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 23:10:02 -0400
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Dimitri,

I think the point he was trying to make was about the ARRL DX Contest. In the past you were allowed one run radio and multiplier station(s) with a 10 minute rule. Now you are only allowed one radio (and a multiplier station to only listen) with a total 10 band changes per hour. So to work a new multiplier you have to give up your run frequency and hope you can QSY back to your run frequency in time before someone else grabs it. Plus QSYing back to your run frequency counts as a band change. That's a pretty boring way to operate a contest as Multi-Single. It's basically a Single-Op operated by multiple operators that can't do SO2R effectively. I wish ARRL would change to Multi-Single rule back to what it was which is similar to the CQ Multi-Single rules.

I think what have might driven this rule change is the way many Multi-Single station operate CQWW. They are now basically Multi-Multi operations with lockouts. When a M/S station is on their run band they usually have one or more stations tuning the same band S&P. (or grabbing spots) They also have other stations (multiplier stations) on the other bands following the the "Exception: One — and only one — other transmitted signal (multiplier station/signal) may be used during any 10-minute period, if — and only if — it is on a different band from the run transmitter and the station worked is a new multiplier. The run and multiplier transmitters are governed by independent 10-minute rules." rule. I don't think this is really in the spirit of what the Multi-Single category should be. It should be one radio and one multiplier station.

Jeff

On 3/16/2021 03:12 PM, dimitri wrote:
Hi xxx,

You wrote,
<<<
If even multi operator single transmitter stations are prevented from "running" 
on two frequencies, why is it accepted for what is called single operator two radio to do 
the same?
Of course, multi op single transmitter is a SINGLE TRANSMITTER... (S&P allowed 
for new multis only on another band) otherwise it would be called multi/multi and 
that's another category ;-)

Some single-op are SO2R (they alternate the transmission and not in the same time as you 
wrote) just because the rule says something like  "only one transmitted signal at 
any time" so...

there will always be eternal dissatisfied regardless of the rules

73 de Dimitri F4DSK

Le 16 mars 2021 à 19:33, à 19:33, D Bender <arsww6d@hotmail.com> a écrit:
I dont really care about the assisted versus unassisted.  I have not
been in it long enough to care.  Its all the same to me.

What does bother me is that you have certain stations that transmit
(run) on two different frequencies at the same time - on different
bands.  I have been told that multi operator, single transmitter
stations can transmit on one band at a time and that they used to be
able to alternate transmit on the same band (CQ in two different
places) but that the contest committee found this to be abusive.

If even multi operator single transmitter stations are prevented from
"running" on two frequencies, why is it accepted for what is called
single operator two radio to do the same?

Rather than accept frequency hogging on two or three different
frequencies, why not limit single operators to running on one band and
searching one band.

73 and God Bless.

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Green <wc1m73@gmail.com>

The Classic category has never made sense. It’s supposed to be “a boy
and his radio”, but what does the 24-hour limit have to do with that?
Nothing.



Those boys are old boys now, with all the limitations and challenges
thereof.

73,
Ken, AB1J (on a high speed trajectory toward 79)



-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Green <wc1m73@gmail.com>
To: Albert Crespo <f5vhj@orange.fr>
Cc: dimitri <cosson-dimitri@bbox.fr>; cq-contest
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Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2021 1:52 am
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge

Hmmm. It appears that spotting assistance still isn’t allowed in the
Classic overlay. Presumably Classic scores will also be included in the
new sole SO (Assisted) category, which mixes apples and oranges even
more than before, when Classic scores were included in the SO
Unassisted category.

The Classic category has never made sense. It’s supposed to be “a boy
and his radio”, but what does the 24-hour limit have to do with that?
Nothing.

My guess is that if there was a poll, more people would ask for a
24-hour category than for a “boy and his radio” category. Seems to me
that there are more people with occasional scheduling conflicts than
people who are nostalgic for the way contesting was in the Stone Age.
That’s certainly true for me: when I can’t put in a full effort, I’d
sure like to compete for 24-hours with both radios. In other words, I’d
much prefer a 24-hour SO overlay with no more restrictions than the
regular SO category.

Yes, I’m suggesting that SO2R and spot assistance be allowed in a new
24-hour overlay in WPX (and let’s get rid of Classic.) Don’t get me
wrong. I’m not a fan of SO Assisted operating in WPX or any other
contest. In my 20 serious efforts in WPX, most of which were
competitive, I tried it once, in 2017. I did OK, but it was really
boring. I’d be happier if the Unassisted category hadn’t been removed
>from WPX, and I plan to participate in the 2021 Unassisted Challenge
this year. My suggestion that Assisted be allowed in a new 24-hour
overlay is simply for consistency with the new rules.

73, Dick WC1M

On Mar 15, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Albert Crespo <f5vhj@orange.fr> wrote:

These are the 2021 categories- No seperate assisted or non assisted
classes. Simple.
VI. ENTRY CATEGORIES:
Use of QSO alerting assistance is permitted in all categories with
the exception of the Single Operator Classic Overlay.
A. Single Operator Categories:One person (the operator) performs all
operating and logging functions. There is no limit on band changes.
Only one transmitted signal is permitted at any time.
1. Single Operator High Power (All Band or Single Band):Total output
power must not exceed 1500 watts.
2. Single Operator Low Power (All Band or Single Band):Total output
power must not exceed 100 watts.
3. Single Operator QRP (All Band or Single Band): Total output power
must not exceed 5 watts.
B. Single Operator Overlay Categories: Any Single Operator entrant
who meets the requirements may ALSO enter one of the categories shown
below by adding the appropriate CATEGORY-OVERLAY line in the Cabrillo
log file header. Overlay category entries will be listed separately in
the results, scored as All Bands, and grouped by High Power and Low
Power (includes QRP).
1. Tribander/Single Element (TB-WIRES): During the contest an entrant
shall use only one (1) tribander (any type, with a single feed line
>from the transmitter to the antenna) for 10, 15, and 20 meters and
single-element antennas on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Separate receiving
antennas are not permitted in this category.
2. Rookie (ROOKIE): To enter this category the operator must have
been licensed as a radio amateur three (3) years or less on the date of
the contest. The date the operator was first licensed must be indicated
in the SOAPBOX field. An operator who has won a plaque in any
previously published CQ contest is not eligible for the Rookie
category.
3. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio
and may operate up to 24 of the 36 hours – off times are a minimum of
60 minutes during which no QSO is logged. If the log shows more than 24
hours of operation, only the first 24 hours will be counted for the
overlay score. Use of QSO alerting assistance of any kind is prohibited
(see rule IX.B) for the duration of contest. Receiving while
transmitting is also prohibited.
C. Multi-Operator Categories (All Band only): More than one person
can contribute to the final score during the official contest period.
Select category based on number of transmitted signals or number of
locations
1. Single-Transmitter (MULTI-ONE): Only one transmitted signal is
permitted at any time. A maximum of ten (10) band changes may be made
in any clock hour (00 through 59 minutes). For example, a change from
20 meters to 40 meters and then back to 20 meters counts as two band
changes. Use a single serial number sequence for the entire log.
a. High Power. Total output power of each transmitted signal must not
exceed 1500 watts.
b. Low Power. Total output power of each transmitted signal must not
exceed 100 watts.
2. Two-Transmitter (MULTI-TWO): A maximum of two transmitted signals
is permitted at any time on two different bands. Both transmitters may
work any station. A station may only be worked once per band regardless
of which transmitter is used. The log must indicate which transmitter
made each QSO (column 81 of CABRILLO QSO template for CQ contests).
Each transmitter may make a maximum of eight (8) band changes in any
clock hour (00 through 59 minutes). Use a separate serial number
sequence for each band. Total output power of each transmitted signal
must not exceed 1500 watts.
3. Multi-Transmitter (MULTI-UNLIMITED): A maximum of six transmitted
signals, one per band, at any one time. Six bands may be activated
simultaneously. Use a separate serial number sequence for each band.
Total output power of each transmitted signal must not exceed 1500
watts.
4. Multi-Transmitter Distributed (MULTI-DISTRIBUTED): A maximum of
six transmitted signals, one per band at any one time, from stations in
different locations. All equipment (transmitters, receivers,
amplifiers, antennas, etc.) must be located in same DXCC entity and CQ
Zone, including remotely controlled equipment. Six bands may be
activated simultaneously. Use a separate serial number sequence for
each band. Total output power of each transmitted signal must not
exceed 1500 watts. The Cabrillo log header must include the following
lines: CATEGORY-OPERATOR: MULTI-OP, CATEGORY-STATION: DISTRIBUTED.
Rules X.E, X.F and X.G do not apply to this category.
D. Checklog: Entry submitted to assist with the log checking. The
entry will not have a score in the results and the log will not be made
public.
VII. AWARDS:
A single-band log will be eligible for a single-band award only. To
be eligible for an award, a Single Operator station must show a minimum
of 4 hours of operation. Multi-operator stations must operate a minimum
of 8 hours.
A. Plaques are awarded to recognize top performance in a number of
categories. View the current list of plaques and sponsors at .
Only one plaque will be awarded per entry. A station winning a World
plaque will not be considered for a sub-area award. That award will be
given to the runner-up for that area if the number of entries justifies
the award.
B. Certificates: Electronic certificates will be made available for
download for everyone that submits an on-time entry.



Message of 03/13/21 21:27 > From: "dimitri" > To: "Alexander
Avramov" > Copy to: "K7LXC via CQ -Contest "> Subject: *** SPAM *** Re:
[CQ-Contest] The 2021 Unassisted Challenge >> Hi Alex, Where did you
saw that you must operate assisted ... ??? Unassisted operators have
often higher score than assisted ones so where is your problem? 73 by
Dimitri F4DSK On March 13, 2021 at 20:56, at 20:56, Alexander Avramov
wrote:> This announcement made my day today! Axel and Dan, thank you!
The CQ WPX is not my favorite but I did enjoy it a lot and always
have> put> a full effort into it. I won 6 times in the recent years and
set the US> SOABHP record 4 times in a row. I wasn't thinking of
stopping there but> the> recent elimination of the SOAB category made
me scratch it off my list. > I> do not like operating assisted and see
no point in doing something that> I> do not enjoy. Until today, the WPX
was dead for me. >>> Axel and Dan, again, thank you for bringing the
real WPX back to life! > Please, do let me know if I could help with
anything. >>> Rest in peace CQ WPX, long live WPX challenge! >>> Alex,
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