My two cents.
I've hauled around the XS suffix since 1977. One set of phonetics for all the
time use doesn't cut it. Obviously X-ray is a given. However, when working or
calling a South American I always use Santiago. For daily use or contest
sugar makes it better than Sierra.
Now the prefix KH7 normally would be kilo hotel seven, but King Henry rolls off
the tongue so much easier.
KH7 Xray sugar
-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-request <cq-contest-request@contesting.com>
To: cq-contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 24, 2020 4:00 pm
Subject: CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 207, Issue 38
Send CQ-Contest mailing list submissions to
cq-contest@contesting.com
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
cq-contest-request@contesting.com
You can reach the person managing the list at
cq-contest-owner@contesting.com
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of CQ-Contest digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Cut numbers and V47T SSB recordings (Jim)
2. Re: SSB Phonetics (Peter Bowyer)
3. Re: SSB Phonetics (Dave Edmonds)
4. Possible lack of knowledge of the states of the union, and
sloppiness in listening (info@bokverket.com)
5. Re: SSB Phonetics (Yuri)
6. Re: [PVRC] Cut numbers and V47T SSB recordings (Yuri)
7. Re: SSB Phonetics (Vincent Weal)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:13:36 -0400
From: Jim <jimk8mr@aol.com>
To: Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com>
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cut numbers and V47T SSB recordings
Message-ID: <B75DD18D-1E4E-414A-AE49-2B8F9C469547@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Phone contests using states - one place where ?Ohio? comes through very
nicely. Much easier than ?West Central Florida?.
A favorite phonetics story is about Jeff, K8ND, some years back, who would
occasionally use ?Kilowatt Eight North Dakota? for his phonetics.
Calling in a pileup, the other guy comes back ?stand by, everybody stand by,
please only the North Dakota station!!?
Jeff comes back ?QSL, this is Kilowatt Eight North Dakota, you?re five nine
Ohio?.
73 - Jim K8MR
> On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And for those people who think that (at least in domestic contests) state
> names work better than two-letter postal codes...
>
> Yeah, maybe if you are in CAL(ifornia) or TEX(as). But not if you are a
> third-tier signal in MarrieLaand. (If you are loud, then "Fye -Nye-Merlin"
> will do just fine.)
>
> Besides, many of the receiving op's will be expecting the two-letter codes,
> and will get confused by "Connecticut". Which brings us back to where I
> started this thread.
>
> 73, Art K3KU
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:52:36 +0000
From: Peter Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org>
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
Message-ID:
<CAGfapNPeX6OU=YrFp0Q-3LpBYBXtLt1NLqq=v04n6rKHh8POZg@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 04:28, David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>
> Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list. Guatemala is
> better but admittedly long. Germany is maybe a better compromise. Too
> bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
Tell me about it. As soon as 'M' prefixes came out there was a landrush....
'George' is an alternative but works better for domestic QSOs.
Peter G4MJS
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:06:09 -0400
From: Dave Edmonds <dave@pkministrywebs.com>
To: Peter Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org>
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
Message-ID:
<CAHQrxhKOyEp65VRrmqL_TJSJx2Ja0xTeRMk6wk5SXWuehXt-Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I enjoy my "Willie Nelson Four" phonetics...
I need a better phon for "W". I don't really care for Whiskey. It doesn't
work well for me. Any better ideas.
The problem that I deal with is folks always leave the "Whiskey" off the
front-end. I had a gent tell me in the VAQP that it was too early for
whiskey.
73s Dave "Willie Nelson Four Air Force Patrol"
"My callsign is sooo long that the FCC had to send my ticket via UPS."
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:36 AM Peter Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 04:28, David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list. Guatemala is
> > better but admittedly long. Germany is maybe a better compromise. Too
> > bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
>
> Tell me about it. As soon as 'M' prefixes came out there was a landrush....
>
> 'George' is an alternative but works better for domestic QSOs.
>
> Peter G4MJS
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:38:09 +0100
From: <info@bokverket.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Possible lack of knowledge of the states of the
union, and sloppiness in listening
Message-ID:
<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAMnKodfImhhBl3CvbNbC/3wBAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAB3cEK4ZOdjR4drmhQ+KMDUAQAAAAA=@bokverket.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Possible lack of knowledge of the states of the union. Just one conclusion
- CW rules :-)
Sloppiness in copying (VE9AA's QSL manager in Ontario). Serves them right
:-)
Same in the CQWW when people log the default zone of someone who has moved.
73 from Sweden,
G?ran, SM0DRD
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:50:38 -0400
From: "Yuri" <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
To: "'Cq-Contest'" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
Message-ID: <00b601d601eb$959f8490$c0de8db0$@rigexpert.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Gentlemen,
I suggest we should create an online poll, where EVERYONY could vote for HIS
favorite phonetics, instead of posting it here as individual message.
73 Yuri VE3DZ
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve3dz=rigexpert.net@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Lyubomir Slavov, OR2F
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:57 AM
To: David Gilbert
Cc: Cq-Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
Hi David,
With all my respect I would suggest to try with:
G= George
S= Sugar,
These are the only replacements I use in my voice robot.
73,
Leo / OR2F
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 05:28 David Gilbert, <xdavid@cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>
> I totally agree with Jim, which is why I disagree with W3LPL. There
> are some horrible phonetics in the common international listing. Hard
> consonants beat soft ones, short multi-syllable words are better than
> single syllable words, long vowel sounds are better than short ones,
> and commonly known words with unique sounds are best. Here are a few
> of my hangups on the list:
>
> Canada is better than Charlie
>
> Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list. Guatemala is
> better but admittedly long. Germany is maybe a better compromise.
> Too bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
>
> Italy is better than India
>
> Japan beats Juliet hands down
>
> Radio should be better than Romeo
>
> Sierra is weak ... Santiago is better
>
> United is much better than Uniform
>
> Aside from that, I'm always amazed at how many people when asked for a
> repeat will keep giving the exact same phonetic over and over again
> when it is obvious that they are down in the mud and probably have an
> inflection or intonation that makes that particular word hard to
> understand. If somebody is having trouble with Alpha Bravo Seven Echo
> I'll switch to America Boston Seven Equador or Able Baker Seven
> England or anything else that might help the other guy out.
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
>
> On 3/23/2020 5:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > Another VERY important element of phonetics under tough conditions
> > is that a hard consonant can be better than a softer one. That's why
> > "Canada" sometimes works better than "Charlie," for example.
>
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:55:56 -0400
From: "Yuri" <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
To: "'Tim Shoppa'" <tshoppa@gmail.com>
Cc: "'CQ-Contest Reflector'" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [PVRC] Cut numbers and V47T SSB recordings
Message-ID: <00b801d601ec$5345a0b0$f9d0e210$@rigexpert.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Yes, UBN is a very strong and convincing tool.
A UBN for RDXC 2001 motivated me to change my (then very good) call VA3UZ to
(not so good) VE3DZ in 2002. :-)
As for "MD" - the best cure IMO would be "Mexico Denmark". A bit long, but
works well on ESL operators (myself included). :-)
73 Yuri VE3DZ
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve3dz=rigexpert.net@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Tim Shoppa
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 6:29 PM
To: Art Boyars
Cc: PVRC; CQ-Contest Reflector
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [PVRC] Cut numbers and V47T SSB recordings
The DX even busts Mike Delta as sent by the best stations. By far the most
common bust is MA.
******** Stations Copying W3LPL Exchange Incorrectly *********
7153 PH 2017-03-04 0009 G5W 400 W3LPL MA should be MD
7154 PH 2017-03-04 0024 9A1EA 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
21277 PH 2017-03-04 0031 PT2CM 1000 W3LPL MO should be MD
3803 PH 2017-03-04 0033 G5W 400 W3LPL MA should be MD
7154 PH 2017-03-04 0041 PY5BH 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
7000 PH 2017-03-04 0045 HB9TWK 1000 W3LPL MO should be MD
7134 PH 2017-03-04 0106 HG5F 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
14000 PH 2017-03-04 0113 PY2TKB 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14252 PH 2017-03-04 0122 PY9GC 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
7154 PH 2017-03-04 0136 ZV8P 100 W3LPL PA should be MD
7000 PH 2017-03-04 0136 DL5RU 150 W3LPL 0 should be MD
3736 PH 2017-03-04 0142 CO2RQ 500 W3LPL MS should be MD
7000 PH 2017-03-04 0154 ZW8T 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
7000 PH 2017-03-04 0159 LU4DXU 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
7154 PH 2017-03-04 0222 PY9GC 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
3804 PH 2017-03-04 0239 ZV8P 100 W3LPL PA should be MD
3500 PH 2017-03-04 0355 9A6V 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
3804 PH 2017-03-04 0442 IK2YCW 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
7153 PH 2017-03-04 0559 IK2YCW 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
7153 PH 2017-03-04 0629 IR1X 100 W3LPL PA should be MD
3760 PH 2017-03-04 1054 KP4BD 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14155 PH 2017-03-04 1202 LA8CJ 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14154 PH 2017-03-04 1202 EA5BY 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
14155 PH 2017-03-04 1248 IK2YCW 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
14155 PH 2017-03-04 1337 I8UZA 500 W3LPL PA should be MD
21200 PH 2017-03-04 1356 IK2YCW 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
14237 PH 2017-03-04 1429 C6ANA 200 W3LPL MA should be MD
14000 PH 2017-03-04 1432 LU9VD 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
21200 PH 2017-03-04 1634 F4VSE 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
21320 PH 2017-03-04 1643 EA1DR 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
14315 PH 2017-03-04 1649 KH6LC 1000 W3LPL PA should be MD
21200 PH 2017-03-04 1651 PY9GC 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
21000 PH 2017-03-04 1651 G8ZRE 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14152 PH 2017-03-04 1722 F4VSE 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14223 PH 2017-03-04 1815 EA1DR 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
21336 PH 2017-03-04 1824 C6ANA 200 W3LPL MA should be MD
14152 PH 2017-03-04 1835 SK2T 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
21000 PH 2017-03-04 1838 PY2TKB 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
28000 PH 2017-03-04 2010 PY2TKB 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
21000 PH 2017-03-04 2032 PY2CTA 100 W3LPL PA should be MD
21000 PH 2017-03-04 2130 CE1UGE 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
21324 PH 2017-03-04 2154 PY9GC 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
14152 PH 2017-03-04 2209 SV1JG 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
14000 PH 2017-03-04 2339 JK1LSE 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14170 PH 2017-03-04 2343 YV5EMG 200 W3LPL MA should be MD
14167 PH 2017-03-04 2351 PY1MT 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
3791 PH 2017-03-05 0318 HG5F 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
3789 PH 2017-03-05 0539 EA1DR 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
7185 PH 2017-03-05 0715 EA1DR 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
14168 PH 2017-03-05 1247 EA4URE 1000 W3LPL PA should be MD
14169 PH 2017-03-05 1252 OP4K 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
14314 PH 2017-03-05 1438 DC2CL 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
14169 PH 2017-03-05 1503 PE4BAS 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14168 PH 2017-03-05 1543 OM7YC 100 W3LPL NC should be MD
14194 PH 2017-03-05 1559 EA5GS 1000 W3LPL MA should be MD
28424 PH 2017-03-05 1759 PY1MT 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
21200 PH 2017-03-05 1917 PY2LCD 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
7143 PH 2017-03-05 2041 IU3FBL 500 W3LPL MA should be MD
28000 PH 2017-03-05 2050 PY1FOX 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
28409 PH 2017-03-05 2101 HP1MAC 100 W3LPL TN should be MD
14000 PH 2017-03-05 2124 EA2DR 100 W3LPL MA should be MD
14000 PH 2017-03-05 2305 JE1RXJ 1000 W3LPL WI should be MD
21200 PH 2017-03-05 2309 AH6KO 100 W3LPL PA should be MD
14000 PH 2017-03-05 2321 JG2REJ 200 W3LPL MA should be MD
14168 PH 2017-03-05 2334 JH1UBK 200 W3LPL MA should be MD
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:03 PM Art Boyars via PVRC <pvrc@mailman.qth.net>
wrote:
> W3LPL: "Properly pronounced and with emphasis on the correct syllable
> , the ICAO phonetic alphabet words are almost always the best choice"
> <snip>
>
> Usually Frank's advice is spot on. However, in this case I think
> "almost always" applies only to stations that the DX can hear. To
> wit, I quote my article "Highly Motivated Tourists: VE4EA and K3KU in
> the ARRL DX SSB 2015", published (inter alia) in NCJ for September/October
> 2015.
>
> Cary and I operated Saturday night at my house; 100W and a dipole:
>
> "With my little signal, some of the DX had trouble copying 5-9 Mike Delta.
> 'Was that Mike Alpha?' So we tried Mexico Denmark. 'Was that New Mexico?'
> Oops, that?s not so good, either. I realized that the best solution
> for small signals was to stick to CW."
>
> Sunday morning we QSYed to W3LPL:
>
> "We go into the shack. On the left side of the large room, the three
> low-band stations, each with two transceivers and computers, are alive
> but inactive, the operators asleep in the adjoining dormitory room or
> wandering about, eating whatever meal their body thinks is timely. On
> our right, the three high bands are running Europe. On 10, KE3X and
> K3AJ. On 15, HB9OCR
> (Marco) and N3RR And on 20, K4ZA and W3LPL himself, temping for K3RA.
> Some quick introductions, and we gravitate to the 15 meter station.
> It?s placed between the other two, and it has a little more room ? and
> Marco is running people in about five languages! (Funny. Nobody has
> trouble copying 5-9 Mike Delta from W3LPL.)"
>
> QED.
>
> 73, Art K3KU
> ______________________________________________________________
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:59:03 -0400
From: Vincent Weal <vincek4jc@gmail.com>
To: Dave Edmonds <dave@pkministrywebs.com>
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
Message-ID:
<CA+CHG2=0f9mdP00ts1g+Hek0EFDjCZpV7oSoBo+rA6+_APWKug@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Dave, how about, "We Need Four Additional Fighter Pilots"?
I had a friend many years ago who used the phonetics, "We Brought Three
Extra Brown Bottles".
73, Vince K4JC
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:27 AM Dave Edmonds <dave@pkministrywebs.com>
wrote:
> I enjoy my "Willie Nelson Four" phonetics...
>
> I need a better phon for "W". I don't really care for Whiskey. It doesn't
> work well for me. Any better ideas.
>
> The problem that I deal with is folks always leave the "Whiskey" off the
> front-end. I had a gent tell me in the VAQP that it was too early for
> whiskey.
>
> 73s Dave "Willie Nelson Four Air Force Patrol"
>
> "My callsign is sooo long that the FCC had to send my ticket via UPS."
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:36 AM Peter Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 04:28, David Gilbert <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list. Guatemala is
> > > better but admittedly long. Germany is maybe a better compromise. Too
> > > bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
> >
> > Tell me about it. As soon as 'M' prefixes came out there was a
> landrush....
> >
> > 'George' is an alternative but works better for domestic QSOs.
> >
> > Peter G4MJS
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
------------------------------
Subject: Digest Footer
_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
------------------------------
End of CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 207, Issue 38
*******************************************
_______________________________________________
CQ-Contest mailing list
CQ-Contest@contesting.com
http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
|