You nailed it Mats!
Thanks for your posting stating the challenges the team is exposed to. Much
cheating goes on, and a lot of it is suppressed from view.
I remember a DXpedition I was on where I witnessed one of the team members
padding the log with his own callsign. Did he get QSL cards for the fake
contacts - that I don't know.
This statement really concerns me.
"Attempts to bribe us with money, so we put them in the log, even though we
clearly did not work them."
Seeing the callsigns of those stations and the operator who put them in the
log would be 'jaw dropping'.
Doug/VA5DX
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From: CQ-Contest
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve5ra=sasktel.net@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Mats Strandberg
Sent: March-11-20 9:53 PM
To: wa5rtg@gmail.com
Cc: Edward Sawyer; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
You nailed it Stan!
I thought I was having fatigue from TI9A operation in the beginning of
February, and that should be the reason why I haven't made a single QSO
as of yet since Feb 7:th.
However a few weeks ago, I was analyzing my impressions during that
expedition and afterwards.
So much new innovative crap appeared in relation to that operation, all
generated from modern inventions and so called development of Ham Radio:
Remote Ham Radio cheating (lots of stations using NA commercial remote
stations to facilitate contacts on bands at times they otherwise would not
have done.
Emails and Facebook messages complaining that people were wrongly logged
and requested us to change callsign, time and band, to finally get a new
one - or a new band slot.
Whining that their beloved fantastic new innovative DX-mode did not
generate any QSOs due to wrong messages from TI9A - or no synchronization
of times (as we had no internet and just GPS-USB device). Please be 100%
sure though, I personally refused that new innovative software to be
installed on my computer - or to let FTx be sent through my radio....
Attempts to bribe us with money, so we put them in the log, even though we
clearly did not work them.
I can continue more, but refrain from doing so.
Ham Radio has got very strange in the past years, and my own very personal
conclusion is that I do not find this exaggerated innovation of Ham Radio
good at all.
Live streaming is another invented stupidity of Ham Radio that apparently
are supported by some, as well as probably other innovative development of
Ham Radio stated above...
My decision, if someone wonders why RM2D is not active anymore, is to take
a indefinite timeout from Ham Radio, spend time with my family and my other
hobbies, contemplate on whether Ham Radio was completely destroyed by the
euphoria of fantastic innovation or not.
As it feels now, as a result of all this so called development of Ham
Radio... I am feeling completely comfortable being outside this new circus
show.
I might change my mind and come back to the hobby one day - but guys and
gals, don't expect it.
You who love distorting Ham Radio with all kinds of innovative whistles and
bells, please continue. I am proud not to part of that so called
development. I embrace traditional Ham Radio where Ham Spirit prevailed -
and no excessive technological innovation euphoria or power/cluster/remote
cheating set the new standard.
Anyone who still wish to keep contact with me or meet in real life, to
discuss Real Ham Radio, my email in QRZ.COM is still valid. Maybe we go
fishing instead?
73 de RM2D (Mats)
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 03:03, Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
> Live streaming, whether heavily advertised or not, should not be allowed
in
> my opinion.. This gives stations advantage in making the contact to the
> primary benefit of the one who is streaming. Not to mention the fact that
> many will come on specifically to hear their own signal via internet. I
> say it should be nipped in the bud and the bud is the live streaming.
>
> 73... Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@sbelectronics.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Some of you may not be aware of an interesting and different even that
> > happened last weekend.
> >
> > W2RE of well known RHR fame, decided to not only provide live streaming
> of
> > his contesting effort, but tied it into the activity he has been doing
> > since early January which is fully integrating the on air DX activity
> into
> > Facebook and youtube channel streaming. Ray has done a wonderful job of
> > integrating social media with HF on air activity as part of promoting
RHR
> > and DXing in general. You cant argue that this benefits the hobby in
> > general.
> >
> > However, the rules of the contest state that "contacts cannot be
> solicited
> > by non-amateur means". Examples are typically given but those examples
> are
> > not exhaustive. The intent of the rule, I believe, is that you should
> have
> > people calling you by the normal discovery process that all of us use.
> Not
> > a special method no one else is using.
> >
> > Ray, to his credit, was not showing his transmit frequency ion the
video.
> > And I personally believe there was no intention of using this additional
> > channel to gain an advantage. At all. However, if you look at the
> > activity generated on the facebook page - a couple of million hits since
> > early January (bravo Ray) - its hard for me to rationalize that there is
> > not a direct pick up of Qs based on this parallel activity. Casuals,
> which
> > are a huge part of running up the Q totals in any major DX contest, may
> be
> > listening to the channel and say, I wonder how loud I am verses these
> other
> > guys Ray is working. And look up on the cluster to find Ray's frequency
> > and give a call to hear themselves. That is exactly "soliciting a
> contact
> > by non-amateur means". Not overtly - like give me a call if you are
> > watching - but by "advertising" and letting the rest happen on its own.
> >
> > I think it is a wonderful idea on its own. But it does not compete
> fairly
> > with those just playing the game by the rules as intended.
> >
> > CQ WW used to have an unlimited class, maybe they still do. Maybe we
> need
> > an unlimited class to promote this "multi channel" contesting. But
> mixing
> > it up with normal contesting just doesn't feel right to me.
> >
> > What do others think?
> >
> > Ed N1UR
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 03:03, Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:
> Live streaming, whether heavily advertised or not, should not be allowed
in
> my opinion.. This gives stations advantage in making the contact to the
> primary benefit of the one who is streaming. Not to mention the fact that
> many will come on specifically to hear their own signal via internet. I
> say it should be nipped in the bud and the bud is the live streaming.
>
> 73... Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@sbelectronics.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Some of you may not be aware of an interesting and different even that
> > happened last weekend.
> >
> > W2RE of well known RHR fame, decided to not only provide live streaming
> of
> > his contesting effort, but tied it into the activity he has been doing
> > since early January which is fully integrating the on air DX activity
> into
> > Facebook and youtube channel streaming. Ray has done a wonderful job of
> > integrating social media with HF on air activity as part of promoting
RHR
> > and DXing in general. You cant argue that this benefits the hobby in
> > general.
> >
> > However, the rules of the contest state that "contacts cannot be
> solicited
> > by non-amateur means". Examples are typically given but those examples
> are
> > not exhaustive. The intent of the rule, I believe, is that you should
> have
> > people calling you by the normal discovery process that all of us use.
> Not
> > a special method no one else is using.
> >
> > Ray, to his credit, was not showing his transmit frequency ion the
video.
> > And I personally believe there was no intention of using this additional
> > channel to gain an advantage. At all. However, if you look at the
> > activity generated on the facebook page - a couple of million hits since
> > early January (bravo Ray) - its hard for me to rationalize that there is
> > not a direct pick up of Qs based on this parallel activity. Casuals,
> which
> > are a huge part of running up the Q totals in any major DX contest, may
> be
> > listening to the channel and say, I wonder how loud I am verses these
> other
> > guys Ray is working. And look up on the cluster to find Ray's frequency
> > and give a call to hear themselves. That is exactly "soliciting a
> contact
> > by non-amateur means". Not overtly - like give me a call if you are
> > watching - but by "advertising" and letting the rest happen on its own.
> >
> > I think it is a wonderful idea on its own. But it does not compete
> fairly
> > with those just playing the game by the rules as intended.
> >
> > CQ WW used to have an unlimited class, maybe they still do. Maybe we
> need
> > an unlimited class to promote this "multi channel" contesting. But
> mixing
> > it up with normal contesting just doesn't feel right to me.
> >
> > What do others think?
> >
> > Ed N1UR
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >
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