What's new with this?  We have had many rules for years and years that 
have no way of being enforced other than reliance on the integrity of 
the entrant.
W0MU
On 7/28/2017 11:39 AM, Barry wrote:
 The problem is there's no way to enforce any of this, short of having 
streaming video of the entire station.
Barry W2UP
On 7/28/2017 09:51, Ria Jairam wrote:
 
How far do you go?  Is it okay for the station owner to do things like
adjust the antenna switching while the operator continues to make
QSOs? How about turning the antenna(s) or dealing with computer
glitches?
In a true single op, this wouldn't happen. You would stop and fix the
problem yourself. IMO, having a "pit crew" to do this presents an
unfair advantage.
Ria, N2RJ
 On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I don't think the station owner swapping out an amp for a guest op 
should
change the category. Nothing was done to find or identify a qso for the
 guest op. And, how many station owners are going to let a guest op 
change
out their amps?
Chuck W5PR
 On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 7:34 AM Charles Harpole <hs0zcw@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
Remote stations should never be used in a contest.  The length of the
mic/key wire matters.  Be on-site or be gone.  Charly
 On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net> 
wrote:
 
Hi Barry
I contend this rule change does not affect guest operating: in either
case, a local guest op or a remote guest op, the mere presence of the
 
 
owner
 
does not constitute a class change to multi.
 Whether you're in person or via internet, it is my contention 
that, aside
from the exception I will get to, if the host does not intervene, 
he is
 
not
 
an operator. Many remote operations happen with no intervention of a
 
 
local
 
operator.
If you're remote or local and the host has to fix something, arguably
you're now multiop.
The exception for remote is when a remote operation requires a local
 control op, such as when a foreigner who does not also have a US 
licence
 
is
 remotely operating a US station. In that case, the control 
operator is an
op and the operation is now multiop.
 You'll note US law allows US-licensed operators to be control ops 
of US
stations, even remotely.
 A twist here is what this means for Gerry, W1VE, operating 
remotely via
VY1AAA. I don't believe this rule change affects him, as I believe 
his
operation was legal under Canadian law.
73, kelly, ve4xt
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Jul 27, 2017, at 06:36, Barry <w2up@comcast.net> wrote:
John makes a very good point.
 Every guest op has a host taking care of station issues, making 
meals,
 etc.  It makes no difference whether a guest op is on site with a 
3 ft
 
long
 connection to the radio, or has a key or mic connection via the 
internet.
This rule is a step in the wrong direction and should be 
reconsidered.
Barry W2UP
 
On 7/27/2017 04:15, jpescatore--- via CQ-Contest wrote:
Bart - the wording of the rule change for remote operations ("If
  
another operator acts as the on-site control operator of the remote
  
station
 you are using, the entry must be submitted in a multioperator 
category")
implies that there is no such thing as a single-op remote entry.
 
How does the control-op issue compare to a physical guest op, where
 
 
  
the
 station owner is still physically present during the contest? 
Should such
guest operations be considered multi-op as well? If the issue is 
that the
local control op *might* be required to take some action, the same is
  
true
 
of the station owner with a physically present guest op.
 
73 John K3TN
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