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Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating
From: Tom Frenaye <frenaye@pcnet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 10:29:28 -0400
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Yes, I agree with Hans.  Contesters probably cheat less than others when it 
comes to ham radio activities, at least this study on a related subject 
suggests it.

      http://phys.org/news/2016-08-explores-online-gamers-psychology.html

     -- Tom

At 01:53 AM 8/24/2016, AB7E wrote:

>Fine for you to defend your friends, Hans, and you may be right.
>
>But you've gone over into some stark raving fantasy world when you claim that 
>99.99% of contesters don't cheat.  There isn't any segment of humanity 
>anywhere that honest, and I find it hilarious that anybody would think that 
>hams are somehow more honest than the average human.  
>Studies, tests, and observations over decades by LOTS of different 
>sociologists prove that you aren't even close in your opinion.  Deny it all 
>you want, but humans are wired to seek every advantage they can in almost all 
>situations, and it is only our learned behavior boundaries that hold us back 
>from breaking rules.
>
>In real life people lie, they cheat, they dishonor, they fudge ... to one 
>degree or another depending upon the situation.  And that's out in the open 
>with real stakes involved.  What on earth makes you think that an essentially 
>random slice of the population (ham radio contesters) operating with almost 
>zero external scrutiny in an event with virtually no jeopardy is going to 
>magically be different??
>
>And for heaven's sake quit with the neighborhood crap.  Absolutely none of my 
>comments bear any relation to any contester I know because my comments derive 
>from reading I've done on the subject and observations I've made during my 69 
>years on this earth involving people I've met in over 30 countries.
>
>It would be interesting for someone to create a truly anonymous survey of 
>active contesters with the simple question "in all of your years of 
>contesting, can you honestly claim that you've never knowingly violated any 
>rule, no matter how trivial?"  One of us is going to be very surprised by the 
>result.
>
>Dave   AB7E
>
>On 8/23/2016 2:39 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
>>My "neighborhood" of contesting and DX'ing friends are guys like NÃ?AT,
>>KÃ?KK, KÃ?TO, KÃ?IR, KÃ?KX, KTÃ?R(SK), KÃ?FVF(SK), KÃ?RC, KÃ?SR, KÃ?AD, 
>>WÃ?AIH, KÃ?MD,
>>NÃ?IJ, WÃ?GJ, K4IU, KÃ?MPH, etc.
>>
>>There is NOBODY in that group, and hundreds more that I know now, and have
>>known over my 50-some years in DX and Radio-sporting, that I can imagine
>>being outside the rules, even just a smidgen.
>>
>>The interminable jeremiads crying "cheat" on CQ-Contest, mostly by noted
>>hams whose credentials I otherwise admire, is loutish and Ill-mannered. It
>>insults the community of hams, 99.99% of who play by the rules.
>>
>>If you know a cheater, well then turn him in; but don't condone the
>>widespread internet trashing of hams in general. We are better than that.
>>Your neighborhood may vary.
>>
>>73, HB
>

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