Thanks Herb,
Saying "In all due respects" does not change the fact that you have a
bigoted view on something that should not be in the public arena...
In Australia we would call your statements defamous plain and simple.
Kangaroo court...but that seems to be what is happening to this group
- after the successful prosecution of TO7A you appear to think you can
act with impunity and look for the next target on the range.
No doubt I have been added to the hate list.
Regards and "In all due respects"
Trent VK4TS
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:43:12 -0400
> From: herbs@vitelcom.net
> To: vk4ts@outlook.com; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] QRP cheating
>
> Trent, In all due respects such a high angle sky wave radiator would be
> nearly useless in working DX station thousands of miles away. It
amounts
> to a cloud warmer A claim of the enhance signal by calling a dipole a
> "double bazooka," assuming for a moment that 4.7 watts to this cloud
> warmer was used as described, then how would it produce any radiation
> angles low enough to even be heard 4000 miles away? I have a low dipole
> here at 65 feet and I can assure you it is worthless in working any DX
> compared to my 1/4 wave vertical. (A great RX antenna at SR periods at
> times) I have run many comparison tests on RBN and SDR and know this
> fact. during the Stew Perry contest I have struggled many times to get
> serious and well known stations with great TX antennas, who really are
> running QRP, in the log due to the increased point structure. It is
> always a struggle to do so. Some of these ops admit calling for a hour
> before getting a qrz partial from me and another 10 minutes or more to
> get the call and exchange correctly.
>
> I admire those stations who are truly QRP who work top band during
> contests. I eschew heaping praise on those who claim to be QRP and are
> clearly gaming the system.
>
>
> Herb, KV4FZ
>
>
>
> On 5/17/2015 4:53 PM, VK4TS Trent Sampson wrote:
> > A double bazooka at the distance you describe would have a massive
lobe - high angle into a QTH 125 Miles away. It would be very strong.
Ask anyone who has used one.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Herbert Schoenbohm
> > Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2015 7:03 AM
> > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] QRP cheating
> >
> > Felipe, With all due respect to your unique position I would think
that many would like to know what kind of antenna design devised by
anyone, even Eric NP3A "with a degree of antenna design" extant that
could produce an equal signal here at my QTH with the claimed 4.7
watts to NP4A's 1500 watts. This would require an antenna capable of
producing
> > 25 db gain. Since my QTH is 125 miles SE of KP4 I would assume
that this supper antenna at KP4KE had an omni-directional pattern. If
you know of such an 160 meter antenna design that is capable of producing
> > 320 times the power, or 25 db gain, it would be worth millions in
the communications and broadcast industry. The claim that KP4KE's
"double bazooka" was capable of such performance when his 160 meter
QRP "record"
> > was achieved defies all known existing laws of physics. As you
stated "our approach has to be scientific and fair for KP4KE" so why
not explain to me what antenna known anywhere in the world is capable
of developing this kind of gain. The picture KP4KE has published on
QRZ.com shows only a modest installation compared to that of Pedro,
NP4A. At some point we can all benefit by knowing of an antenna design
capable of developing 25db omni- directional gain on 160 meters if
such an antenna actually exists. You indeed have peaked my curiosity
on this subject.
> >
> > Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
> >
> > On 5/16/2015 12:56 PM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
> > Herb
> >
> > It is not about changing the op, in this case Eric is an
acomplished Rf engineer and contester, with a degree of antenna design
and lots of experience in terrain modeling.
> > So the perspective of an operator with that profile could shed
significant light on the overal station performance, since certain
QTH's have an advantage over others as well as other antennas also
bring that extra db, that can create an overrall better performance of
the station.
> >
> > If we are going to stay true to our intention, our approach has to
be scientific and fair for KP4KE.. the information about his previous
operations is certainly valid and the committee Im sure is considering
it and has considered it, since I believe he has already been DQ for
power claims. Im sure there will be enought ways to compare during the
contest.
> >
> > How much these records make sense can easily be easily analized by
looking at other zone 7 and 8 QRP stations in the past, but I think
thats another discussion...
> > Lets wait if his commitment stands, he has failed his commitments
before..
> >
> > Felipe
> > NP4Z
> >
> > El sábado, 16 de mayo de 2015, Herbert Schoenbohm
<herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com <mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>>
> > escribió:
> > Felipe,
> >
> > I don't know how just changing the operator will prove anything at
all.
> > What I know to a moral certainty is the comparison on KP4TE
alleged QRP signal on ground wave and that of NP4A's full power signal
from a great location with a superb antenna system at the same time.
This proved to me that KP4KE's claim of running "4.7 watts to a double
bazooka" when he established his published record that his QRP" entry
was totally bogus. The signal measurements made here of the two
stations in comparison do not lie.
> >
> > Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
> >
> > On 5/16/2015 8:03 AM, Felipe J. Hernández wrote:
> > To address Herb's comments:
> >
> > We had an honest conversation with kp4ke regarding the questions
around his qrp and other operations.
> > HE has agreed to allow ERic Np3a to operate his station and to
show the world how his station performs in qrp, the official date set
by him was on wpx cw this year.
> >
> > Certainly we are anxious as you to make sure that these were all
valid entries, let's wait for wpx and see.
> >
> > 73's
> >
> > Felipe
> > NP4Z
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