Yes, the contest page containing the relation of the log's received, is the
best guarantee that the log was received and is OK.
Ed - PY4WAS
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Thompson K5ZD" <k5zd@charter.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Logs - Upload don't email
Many contests offer a logs received page. Given the issues with email and
spam filters, the sponsor's logs received page is your best bet for
confirmation of log received.
Randy, K5ZD
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Bob Naumann
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:07 PM
To: 'Sean Cavanaugh'; 'Katsuhiro Kondou'
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Logs - Upload don't email
None of these technical speculations really solve this problem do they?
Q: What is the answer?
A: The answer is that the sender has *total responsibility* to send the
email to the right address. When he does, the robot will respond with a
confirmation - usually within minutes if not sooner.
So, if the sender does not get a confirmation that his log was received
in good order, *he alone has the responsibility* to follow up on it.
The contest sponsor has absolutely no responsibility until the log is
correctly received by their "robot" system.
So - what should you do?
1) Check that you're sending to the right address
2) Send your properly formatted log
3) Watch for a confirmation from the robot
4)
a) If you don't get a confirmation in a reasonable time:
1) Check YOUR SPAM folder/system to see if it's there
2) If not, then go back to step #1
b) If you do get a confirmation, you're all set.
de W5OV
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Sean Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:07 PM
To: Katsuhiro Kondou
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Logs - Upload don't email
I suppose I was a bit lax in terminology.
It technically doesn't violate the SMTP spec to not send a DSN, but from
the RFC 5321 (SMTP) and RFC 821 (Old SMTP) standards, both state that if
a message is not able to be forwarded or delivered, "the message MUST be
returned as undeliverable." (RFC 5321) There is exceptions for things
like harmful or invalid return addresses, but I'd presume a log sent from
a properly formatted email address is neither of those.
It breaks a lot of things, including user expectations, to just have a
message disappear into the ether.
73,
Sean - VA5LF
On 2013-06-12, at 6:21 PM, Katsuhiro Kondou <kondou@voyackey.net> wrote:
> In article <D1B4A9A8-E416-4CF4-97D3-DB349FD24DBE@unixgeeks.ca>,
> Sean Cavanaugh <seanc@unixgeeks.ca> wrote,
> on "Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:26:38 -0600";
>
>> Most servers send back a Delivery Status Notification (DSN) saying
>> the
mail was undeliverable. I'm rather surprised the ARRL server doesn't, as
it is very useful for both informing someone they sent the message to the
wrong address, and for diagnosing any mail delivery problems that occur.
It also violates the applicable standards (RFC 5321), but it seems a lot
of people are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it
comes to fighting spam.
>
> I don't think it violate, since DSN is RFC3461, which is just an SMTP
> extention.
> --
> Katsuhiro "Don" Kondou, JH5GHM
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