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Re: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer

To: "Dave Hachadorian" <k6ll@arrl.net>, "cq-contest reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer
From: "Richard F DiDonna NN3W" <richnn3w@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 20:34:04 -0500
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Gotta say, I agree.  And its doubly unfortunate that this has come up.  I 
had contemplated a serious effort this year in the NAQP CW.  That won't be 
happening now, and, at best I'll do the SSB leg since that now seems to be 
the test of skill since there isn't a SSB skimmer.

73 Rich NN3W

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Hachadorian" <k6ll@arrl.net>
To: "cq-contest reflector" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer


> If that is the intent, the contest is ruined.
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Aldewey@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:36 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW + Skimmer
>
> The intent of the current rule is that multi-channel band
> decoders , such
> as CW Skimmer, are allowed as long as they do NOT connect to any
> external
> source.  For example, you are not allowed to connect to a TELNET
> address  the
> publishes spots from Remote Skimmers.
>
> However, if the multi-channel band decoder is totally contained
> within the
> station, it is allowed.
>
> If someone can suggest a way to state that more simply, in one to
> two
> sentences without a lot of legalize, please respond off the
> reflector.
>
> 73,
>
> Al, K0AD
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/23/2010 11:58:19 A.M. Central Standard
> Time,
> K1TTT@ARRL.NET writes:
>
>>  Although NCJ does not have an official "Contest Committee",
>> issues
> related
>> to the NCJ contests are discussed among all the NCJ contest
>> managers.
>> Often, input is solicited from others also. Final decisions
>> rest with the
>> Contest Manager for each of the 6 contests we  sponsor.  For
>> the Sprints,
>> it  was
>> obvious that the  allowing the use of multi-channel band
>> decoders made no
>> sense because  of the QSY rule.  It really came down to being
>> an issue for
>> the  CW NAQP.  We decided to allow it in the Single Operator
>> Class as
> long
>> as
>> there was no connection via the internet or any other  outside
>> source.
> In
>> 2009, the NAQP rule was changed to  state:
>
> So you DO intend to allow wide band decoding and generating of
> spotting
> information by CW Skimmer and Skimmer Server??
>
> "Access to spotting information obtained directly or indirectly
> from  any
> source other than the station operator, such as from other
> stations  or
> automated tools, is prohibited,"
>
> since CW Skimmer in its wideband  decoding mode automatically
> generates
> 'spotting information' I would  consider this first statement to
> exclude
> that
> use of the CW Skimmer or  Skimmer Server software.
>
> "except as follows: Technological methods of  copying information
> in the
> contest exchange (e.g. CW Skimmer, code readers,  etc.) are
> permitted as
> long
> as all components are entirely contained within  the station."
>
> Since this qualifies use of technology as being for  'copying
> information in
> the contest exchange' I consider this, in the CW  Skimmer usage,
> to be the
> narrow band audio only decoding of a single qso at  a time.  This
> is
> reinforced by lumping it in with 'code readers' which  in general
> do not
> generate spotting information and only allow copying a  single
> audio stream
> at a time.
>
> Perhaps the lack of complaint was  because participants took the
> more
> conservative reading and assumed that NO  sources of spotting
> information
> were allowed, which included the wide band  decoding and spotting
> modes of
> the CW Skimmer.
>
> David Robbins  K1TTT
> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
> web:  http://www.k1ttt.net
> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or  telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>
>
>
>
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