It also invites the question: who needs to cheat with packet to work AZ?
Oh, and what K1TTT said, too.
73, kelly
ve4xt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve London" <n2ic@arrl.net>
To: "N7MAL" <N7MAL@CITLINK.NET>
Cc: "CQ Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> Hey Mal,
>
> The N7MAL packet spots are public knowledge:
>
> KT8X 28030.0 N7MAL 2231 06 Nov
2004
> WK6I 21010.8 N7MAL 2324 06 Nov
2004
> W6ZZZ 3562.6 N7MAL az 0350 07 Nov
2004
> W6ZZZ 3563.1 N7MAL 0430 07 Nov
2004
> W9ILY 28040.3 N7MAL 1648 07 Nov
2004
>
> How about making your 2004 SS CW log public so that we could each do our
> own analysis and draw our own conclusions about packet cheating ?
>
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
>
>
> N7MAL wrote:
> > I received 17, yes 17, private emails asking me to name names. Well
> > for obvious reasons I am not going to do that but I wanted to respond
> > publicly to at least this one, because I found it interestingly
> > offensive. As you can see it comes from someone who has gained a
> > certain amount of stature in the contesting community. John
> > said:"""". Over the last few years I've complained often and loudly
> > about being spotted during domestic contests, especially SS. I've
> > watched my run-rate go from something very comfortable to having a
> > big pile-up. Without exception my run-rate jumped up because I was
> > spotted on packet. AND without exception checking the results,
> > against my log during those rapid rate increases, shows none, not
> > one, of the stations worked during those periods reported themselves
> > as a muli-op. They ALL were in the single op category. If it happened
> > once, or maybe even twice, it might be coincidence but over several
> > contests it is no longer coincidence but cheating. If you need
> > further 'proof' look at CQP. There were hundreds and hundreds of
> > spots on the cluster. Other than the big multi efforts in CA there
> > will be less than a dozen claim they were multi. It's the same during
> > other domestic contests like SS and NAQP except on a larger scale.
> > The ratio of spots/spotters to logs submitted as multi would be
> > laughable if it weren't for the fact that it clearly shows there is a
> > problem of integrity during contests. John might I suggest rather
> > than taking cheap pot-shots at the messenger why not help find a
> > solution to this problem. Is there not a way to make the multi
> > category more attractive? There must be some incentive, bigger or
> > more trophies, larger or more bold fonts in results, something to
> > move the folks who are using packet, during contests, into the multi
> > category. Hopefully a solution can be found that will satisfy
> > everyone. Best 73's
> >
> > MAL N7MAL BULLHEAD CITY, AZ
> > http://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htm http://geocities.com/n7mal/
> > Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already
> > tomorrow in Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: K1AR@aol.com
> > To: N7MAL@CITLINK.NET Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:59 Subject:
> > Re: [CQ-Contest] Competing in the Daylight
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/9/2005 7:19:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > N7MAL@CITLINK.NET writes: It is easy to see that Packet-Cluster
> > cheating is rampant and is a real threat to honest contesting.
> >
> > Mal--
> >
> > With all due respect, you're out of your league with this comment.
> > Can you identify a single entrant that fits your cheating assertion
> > above? I doubt it, but I'd like to see your list.
> >
> > Be careful with these claims that are not fact based. The reality is
> > that, at least for the CQ WW and ARRL DX contests, packet cheaters
> > are aggressively sought out, discovered and dealt with appropriately.
> >
> >
> > Please reply.
> >
> > 73 John, K1AR _______________________________________________
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